Your warninglist is so full that I had problems finding out which things you still have that WB for, and for which you had already been cleared. The one you still have is for spam, have you totally given up spamming over the last 3 months?

Is there any need for those policemen emotes? They seem a bit... yaknow... "I'm a moderator and your not! Ha ha ha!"

Or maybe that's just me...

I guess people are expecting me to let some people off the hook because they're old-timers, veterans, however you wish to describe your early joindate, or friendship with other regulars. The rules are the same for everybody, and they will be enforced the same for everybody.

If I had used emotions (aka "feelings") in my decisions, I wouldn't have PR'ed Helping Hand, wouldn't have told pMaster to change his posting behaviour while cracking down on new people because I have no "emotional" connection with them (and Rewan would have been banned till 2028 ). That is simply not the way we moderate this forum. Brataccas got a PR from Wittmann because he discussed the moderating outside of the designated thread, just like I did with Helping Hand. There is no difference in the way we handle rule violations. The only difference is that Wittmann isn't online that much lately to enforce the rules, which makes him look like one of the "good guys".



Meaning you follow the instructions regardless if it is Wittmann telling you, Deadeye or me. If you have a problem with that decision, you either PM the moderating staff or post about it in this thread. Anyone who does not is asked with a "please" to stop posting that type of content outside the designated thread. People openly rebelling against that or showing their complete lack or respect for the staff member will be dealth with appropriatly.

Lo folks,

Note: To avoid misconceptions of emotions or feelings - This post is written as a discussion. I'm miffed but attempting to solve the problem.



"share your ideas toward making this forum a friendly"

The single reason i bother to come here and post is because this board is friendly, relaxed and quiet. After Nemisis and Homer walked we were without a moderator. There were no problems what so ever. The occasional time someone posted in the wrong thread or spammed the regulars pointed out the mistake and we moved on. If there were wrong doings that required action Wittmann stepped in. For example the THC affair when i requested the thread be locked.

"must discuss valid issues or raise a valid idea or point."

Now, JdB you are a good guy. Your intelligent and calculated but i have to disagree with your method of moderating. This forum ran smoothly without flame or incident until you became a moderator. Surely this shows that this board does not need a moderator big brothering each and every post. The members of this board are mature enough to know where to draw the line on what is acceptable and what is not. What this board needs is a moderator who protects the forum from outside idiots, people who join only to cause trouble. The role of a moderator is to oversee the smooth running of the forum, something we seem to have lost touch with.

"must discuss valid issues or raise a valid idea or point."

We all must take a step back and start being sensible! We have already lost HH, a regular member. We are fast becoming the BIForums and if we continue down this path the board will ultimately loose more members, myself included!

Thank you for reading,
Luke

Personally, while I do agree with some of your points carver, I still believe that the given alternative would have been far worse.

And believe me, I know the given alternative. It was far worse.

Of course, I do think he do to stop using those policemen emotes... they're just... gah...

Nice to see someone taking the time to type out a well-thought through post, I don't agree with all points, but it's nice none the less.

The main problem is that alot of you are friends. Whenever I take action against one of you the, rest jumps on the bandwagon to drag their friend out of the "firing line". As I posted in the Moderator section of the forum, "I've seen this all before, more times than I care to remember, it's all good until they become the "victims" of the forum rules themselves, then they start to complain."

These forums cannot be like the BIS forums, as our rules are far more relaxed. The BIS forum staff enforces their set of rules, we enforce ours. It's simple maths 1+1=2, hard+enforcing vs relaxed+enforcing. Wittmann and Homer agreed on me being the new moderator because they had realised that the time moderators had to spend on the forum had come under the acceptable level, by which enforcement of the rules suffered. They solved this by appointing someone which they knew would bring the moderator enforcing of the rules back to it's early level (when the forum just started).

I used the "nutty policeman with light on the head" emoticon to bring some ... relaxedness to moderating, something to ease the message. If I really do "crack down" on something I certainly wouldn't be using such a smiley.



Like I use this one to ease someones' feelings over having their (quite possibly first ever) thread closed:

Personally, even if i hate him, I can assure that JdB is not a bad moderator... I like is way of acting...
Don't see any envy in his moods

The fact we are friends is the reason this forum is better than the BIS one. We are pretty tame here really, and we are a pretty small group also. I think it is unwise to alienate them.

Thank you JdB I would agree with you there.
I think the deep point of this discussion should not be looking at the enforcement of the rules as a generalization but looking into which rules should be enforced and how. Personally I feel 72h PR for essentially posting in the wrong thread, is harsh. The problem could be sorted through editing by removing the text and asking for it to be reposted here. PRs and Warn blocks, i feel, should only be used when a major rule is broken. For example, the posting of elicit material or flaming. Everyone knows the major house rules and your right, we are all friends here. Proper rule breaking is a rare occurrence on the board and a sensible moderating style should reflect that
cheers,
Carver

i'm not against rules. because we need them.

but, at the same time. we are not any more child. (except Rewan, Brataccas).

that would be more interesting to keep a moderation for adult. the BIS forum is a bad example. BIS forum= kindergarten (+ a dictatorship)

this is really boring to have a special topic for a special subject. As adults, we should be able to talk about various subjects in a same topic.

excepted maybe some really special subjects:

- wallpaper
- pictures.

but if we can't post a vid which could be an example for a discussion elsewhere than in the vid thread. that becomes crazy.

btw: sorry for english. i'm really tired today.

He didn't get a 72hr PR for just posting in the wrong thread on it's own. This case was exactly like that of Brataccas (last week if I remember correctly), someone broke the rules, a notice was posted correcting a member, and someone openly (in the wrong place) criticised the decision. In this particular case the prior notice was to stop criticising moderating decisions outside of the designated thread. That made it a 1+1 case, where prior actions had obviously failed to produce the desired result.

Again quoting myself from the Moderators section: "the only ones we really enforce (/crack down on) are those for image size, place of discussing moderation, porn, warez, cracks, MP cheats and spam outside of the Chatter, Word Games & Jokes section."

I personally don't agree with a PR + WB being given for posting a 100kb+ image in the Combat Photography (and I never even post images there!), but I never went around criticising the decision of a moderator to give that penalty (which is clearly mentioned for all to see) in public, especially not after a moderator has asked members no to do that.



I did, I moved the content of two posts from pMaster and Helping Hand into the Forum Moderation Feedback thread where they belonged, and asked people to please stop doing that, Helping Hand criticised that decision in the Community Chatter thread none the less. Clearly not in the place where it should be. I can accept that people post in the wrong thread, either by mistake, or because they feel it belongs somewhere else, but what Helping Hand did is pure defiance, just like Brataccas a while ago.



I left a few videos in the Community Chatter thread where they were, as that is the only place besides the Video thread to post a number of unrelated videos (while not breaking the forum rules for content). Certain dedicated threads exist so it is easier for members to find the content they like, and to be able to keep threads on-topic

and if i post a music vid in the music thread ?





sorry, I only tease you

btw. i agree with you for the 72 hrs pr. because you had warned everybody

I believe it was a little harsh, but I agree with the issue and that it needed action, so Im reducing HH's PR by 24hr's and leaving the WB.

Lets not forget guys not that long ago when Homer was around in the old forums he was seen as the bad guy. Its only his long absence and apathy when he was around that saw a relaxation in things being dealt with, and due to timezones, by the time I roll around here often the issue has been resolved or Im acting in the past tense so people are not so hot under the collar when I get round to beating them with a stick.

Just use this thread for moderation discussion, that is one thing that gets my goat as much as clans signing up and posting huge images and sigs everywhere in their recruitment post before they bugger off. Its something we will enforce.

Maybe it should be mentioned in the rules how long a warnblock will be valid once given...Just to avert any further stir caused by a simple question.
And if you ask me, it makes more sense not to simply delete posts who don't completely violate the rules in a very serious way. Member should be able to see what to post and what to post not.

I agree there. Action ---> reaction, unless its porn or something disgusting I try not to delete posts

For all those who believe JdB is the root of all evil heres some stats for you;

Wittmann
148 actions performed as moderator

King Homer
93

Deadeye
64

Cervo
51

Rellikki
38

Flyer
20

JdB
20

So JdB is equal to Flyer, he does not seem so evil now does he?

I dunno, Flyer's pretty evil...

@Wittmann

Mock me, but aren't site team members supposed not to moderate?

Yep, most likely was in the German section or for editing posts ect. The board tally does not differentiaite between moderation actions that are enforcing a rule or just editing something using the moderation functions

Relikki? In the German section?

edit
Nevermind, I should read to end in the future.

I can't move posts, "Move post" is not in my list of "Moderation Options" (neither is "Split Topic", so that wasn't an option either). Obviously either would have been a better option than deleting them and moving the content over to the Moderation Feedback thread. If I had left the messages in the Community Chatter thread, chances are people would still have commented on them, even if we had asked them not to.



That is the problem, we can't give a more or less accurate time, as it fully depends on the member him/herself. We try to remove any blocks given for non-serious offenses, while serious offense blocks may very well stay there forever (racism, porn, warez, MP cheats etc, if they don't result in a direct ban that is). For non-serious blocks it depends on the members' behaviour in the months since the block was given. If someone has been given a block for repeated spamming, than that block will stay there until the members has proven to us that he has stopped spamming months ago, thereby showing an improvement in his posting behaviour.

I am considering to remove Rewan's block, since I haven't seen him spamming anymore outside of the Chatter, Word Games & Jokes section, it depends on his behaviour.