Your last sentence shows what i fear you do all the time: you take that stuff personally:
"If I have warned before not to discuss a decision or instruction, and people just ignore what I have just said, or respond in a sarcastic way multiple times, I will give them some time off to think about their decision to ignore me."

YOU as MODERATOR have to be objective! Sarcasm is not prohibited in any rule on these forums or did i miss something?
And it seems like you punish some people you maybe don't like much harder than other ones (i don't name any members.)

by the way, i want to point out that even moderators can do mistakes sometimes. Sometimes they need to have their decisions revised and if i was on your stead, to receive so many criticism would make me think, especially if people point out that I have exaggerated and that I have exaggerated before

What interpretation of the rules? It's right there in the rules:



It is considered spam, and as the "No Spam" rule states:

Yet again, I fail to see sarcasm there.

I was active back then, and I remember why. I was active before ofp.info forum went to the new server. Back with pontifex.

I remember the old sig too
Same Shit, Different asshole.

Some people have a legitimate reason here.

Removed as it contains information from the Private forums, when I find out who leaked it, he will be gone as well as you.

This shows exactly what you and your friends stand for, childishness, backstabing and unprofessional behavior (the one who gave you that text).

This post has been edited by JdB: Jan 5 2008, 22:43

From what I've read of the topic you suspended him completely from the forums for a completely unjustifiable reason. He didn't question your actions nor did he comment on the moderation of the thread he merely voiced an opinion to the community to grow up and you acted with you ban stick and suspended him on the spot like a bufoon because someone other than you tells the community to take a break from going at each other. Now if you decide to take action against me for saying this i really couldn't give a f*cking toss as your actions of late have been mostly unjustifiably harsh to members. Good day to you.

Agreed once more?

*starts shoving pillows into his jeans*

Lets just empty the forums then...

Posting on these forums is a privilege, not a right. If you, or anyone else for that matter, do(es) not like the rules, or the fact that they are enforced, I suggest you/they find a different forum to post on

I used the Suspend option, as the removing of posting rights feature has caused some trouble lately (PR's being converted to Indefinite when editing them)

There aren't going to be any of the regular members here if this stupidity continues as they are leaving being fed up with the actions of certain people. I'm going to stay here and see how things play out but if I start getting blamed for things that's it I'm leaving as I've had quite enough of this.

This forum is for everyone that can oblige by the rules, and the moderating staff's instructions to adhere to them, not just the priviliged "regulars"

I've heard that before by the way, and the forum still attracts members

I don't mean privileges and or special treatment I mean there will be nobody here that is an older member than say beenie1983pl etc. The members that have been here longer help you in your job a lot by directing people to and from things without your intervention now if you want to make your own job harder then by all means carry on with your current plan of action. We don't chose to come here because it's the only forum to discuss things we come here because the site appeals to us as a nice closed community. If your up to try and change things then that's up to you isn't it.

JdB. this isint personal attack or anything but why forcefully go ahead with the rules so tightly as tho we need to be kept on a tight leash on this somewhat friendly? community? when we couldve all got on really well and because of these bizzare incredulous rules, you follow them in the strictest manner possible, too strict I say but perhaps if you cut us all some slack we could all get on as a "family" again?

dunno if ive worded/explained properly so....

It often feels as though im on a communist forum here which is unneeded imo, how bothered are you that pretty much all the regulars are complaining?

My personal opinion is that if rules are not made to be met and only rough guides, they will probably decay even further over time.
An I may disagree with some decisions, but I think at the end of the day there is always reason behind them and people have plenty of time and warning levels to learn from their mistakes.

But like I said, thats my personal opinion, and as shown above, others disagree.

I will be neutral here... but I must say: forum don't attract people but the site does, if you ban every "old" members from OFP.info who will help the "new" members ? I haven't seen a true new face on the forum, only some "tourists" whose made a post, wait the answer then leave.

I think we don't act as true forums member but more like a closed-like community whose reject others.

Exactly my point.

That last sentence in Rewan's post is open to interpretation, as I see it he meant that the "regulars" with their in-house jokes scare people off at times.

Also we're not seeing as many new people because, quite frankly the game and community aren't as good as those of OFP. You can sense it in every part of the community, more agitation, more whining, more clueless off-topic chatter. If you come on a forum and see threads full of bug-reports, you're just not as likely to stick around, and instead switch to another game. That may not apply to us, but the majority of gamers does switch their "primary" games very easily.

For many of the "regulars" here this forum has become more of a place to talk to people you've known for a while, the Community Chatter thread is by far the most popular, and the "regulars" make up for 9/10 posts, rather than a game-related forum, which is our primary focus. I can see it when I PR someone. If he's relatively new to the forum, there is no response in this thread, or PM. When I PR one of the "regulars", that is radically different, and you get remarks like "There aren't going to be any of the regular members here", indicating you find yourself so important that we should look the other way when one of them violates a rule just to keep you happy. That is setting double standards, and we've talked about that before. The decision to reprimand someone is always based on violations of the rules, it's just the crowd of friends that makes the difference.



It's not, it's an open forum where everyone is welcome to participate fully, and everyone abides by the same rules.

It's because we 'know' each others, if a member is PR'ed when we 'know' him then there will be a backdraft.

If you see a huge man attacking another man, you don't know the other guy you will say "Whoah, I can't stand against him, he will explode my face aswell", so you do nothing or you call police.
If you know the guy you're going to do something for defending hom and call the police.

Well my french-glish kill the meaning of my posts but I think you can understand the global meaning. (I hope)

I understand where your going with that. If it's someone you know you'll put yourself in the firing line for them.

I would like to complain in the highest possable terms to my 24 hour post restriction and warn block.

To put it frank, i think the fact that i got that punishment is a complete disgrace and a complete joke. I feel i have suffered at the hands of either discrimination and inconsistent moderation or alternativly what can only be described as a moderating howler.

Lets disect my post.



Now to me this seems a perfectly reasonable attack on the communtiy. This is not flaming, its not specific enough to be a flame. Its clearly not going to antagonise anyone, or cause argument. It was simply a reaction to petty posts, for example and i quote :-

"*sigh* Here we go again. To the ramparts!"

"^ utter pathetic post by LThunter or jdb whatever"

The thread in question is names the 'community chatter thread'. I am annoyed at our community, so naturally the place to complain to the community itself (not the site team or moderating staff) is the community discussion thread. I am very frustrated with the behaviour with some members and i have every right to express this is an adult manner.

For this, it is deemed i should serve a post restriction. The explanation is as follows :-



Now excuse me, but please firstly find an example in my post of responding inapropriatly to a moderator instruction. Find any, no i didnt think so. You have not left one post in that forum saying i cannot express my feelings about the performance of the communtiy.

To quote yourself JdB, (yes this post is aimed specificly at you)



Now does my post in way say anything like that? short answer No. I am not specific in my complaint, i name no-one is particular. I also do not bring any doubts or criticism into how the forum is being moderated. Therefor as i see it my post breaks no rules and i am not breaking any percieved moderators instruction, only perhaps if the moderator in question has been far from making clear his or her instruction. There is also not a hint of sarcasm to that effect.

The excuse for my post restriction, and yes calling it an excuse is fair in my opinion, also eludes



First please inform what rule i have ignored. And i also find it hard to see how my postcount or time spent on these forums comes into this arguamnt. This is much more of a personal attack against me, and possable flame creator than the post i made could have ever have been. It assumes you feel my only participation on these forums is to become bigger than the moderating staff through my post count. Firstly what a pile of shite. Secondly if i was a moderator you would have a 24hr post restricion and 1 warning block for flame bating.

Now ill show you how i feel discriminated against due to moderation inconsistencies. My posts warrented actions, where as









Were deemed to deserve no punishment. Sorry to quote yourself, . I think there are a few clear cases of this above, and you have already shown you enforce this rule when you feel like it post resticting peemaster a few posts above my post in question.

I mean hell, browse a few posts down and i find this

Now i dont know who made this post, or what it was about, but it was deemed bad enough to be removed. Despite this whoever created this was not seen as making as much a mr menor to deserve any sort of punishment despite the fact his post was seen bad enough to remove!

To summarise, i have done absolutly NOTHING wrong and you know it. I want a full apology and the removal of my warn block. I'm willing to forget this hole incident if i get this. However i must warn you i am very insulted by the hole affair, which is why i am giving you the oppertunity to correct your error. If it be the case that you decide to stand by your rash action then i promise you i will take this higher until i get some sort of an apology, that will include Wittman, Deadeye, Copete, Nano19 and Cervo himself.

Hmm Most of those quotes that are mine were meant as statements not personalized attacks on particular members. As for the post that was deleted it was mine by JdB for what he deemed a good reason although I personally think it was bullshit that he deleted it

Most of the above I am in agreement with. Your taking of the rules JdB is a personal biased one and not that of an independent adjudicator..