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post Mar 11 2011, 23:57
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What is the actual danger from radioactive vapour? Presumably it doesn't emit radioactive energy. Inhalation then? Where's Dave when you need scientific answers...

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A meltdown is not necessarily the greatest thinkable disaster as long as the gas pressure in the containment building does not endanger the structure's stability. If they let off steam and effectively risk radioactive contamination of the surrounding area, then the pressure must be considerably too high.

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What is the actual danger from radioactive vapour? Presumably it doesn't emit radioactive energy. Inhalation then? Where's Dave when you need scientific answers...
It may contain all kinds of sources of radiation, including those which are dangerous only if inhalated (Alpha and Beta-radiation) and those which cause considerable damage over a very long time.

Now they say the heads of the fuel rods are not covered with water anymore.


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post Mar 12 2011, 00:07
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Well this looks like it's going to be a pretty expensive mess...


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post Mar 12 2011, 00:08
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Depends on how it goes (if it does) It shouldn't do a Chernobyl if they can vent enough steam off. It may just end up like Long Island and be contained over a small area. Then again if it does go up like Chernobyl... It doesn't really bare thinking about.


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post Mar 12 2011, 00:12
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To be fair from what I've read the reactor design should prevent it going quite on the scale of Chernobyl even though it is a bit on the old side.


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post Mar 12 2011, 00:14
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After revision today's quake is officially a "megaquake" now, with a magnitude of 9.1 among the most powerful events that took place in recorded history. The US geological service says it moved the earth's axis of rotation by 0.1 m.
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post Mar 12 2011, 00:18
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That, is quite something...

Personally I'm blaming this mess on Witty deleting the CCT...you just don't mess around with such forces of nature!

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What is the actual danger from radioactive vapour? Presumably it doesn't emit radioactive energy. Inhalation then? Where's Dave when you need scientific answers...


Radioactive vapour or dust (or to give it it's technical term: fallout) is pretty much exactly what it sounds like: particles in the air that are radioactive (so yes, they do emit radiation). They're usually pretty sparse, but much easier to ingest than a lump of radioactive material (as they're airborne, rather than a lump of stuff you'd need to physically eat), which can cause lung cancer or radiation sickness. Best protection is a gas mask, I know some filters will protect against this sort of thing, but you'd have to ask someone more knowledgeable about that sort of thing.

The chances of the plant going Chernobyl are pretty much non-existent. Though that's assuming the plant hasn't been damaged too much by the 'quake.


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post Mar 12 2011, 00:40
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And that is as the Russkies were highhandedly enough to built a reactor out in the open air, almost doing without any sort of containment...


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post Mar 12 2011, 00:50
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Not quite as harmless as I imagined then.


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Fukushima I reports a breakdown of all cooling systems for one reactor and Fukushima II an upcoming breakdown for three of its reactors' cooling systems.
Japan has declared a nuclear state of emergency on the greater area and is evacuating some 45,000 civilians now.


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post Mar 12 2011, 11:09
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Great countryside you've got there!

Seems one of the nuclear plants has gone up. Video of what's thought to be a steam explosion at one of the plants on bbc news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219

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Fukushima appears to have gone tits up. Footage of an explosion there over on BBC.


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Definite rise in radiation levels since the explosion, with hourly radiation at the plant equal to the safe level over a year. Exclusion zone extended to 20km. Not good. blink.gif


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post Mar 12 2011, 13:51
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Clockwork orange was a right pain this morning: half hour journey turned into a full hour because the sodding thing stopped for about 5-10mins at each sodding station ¬_¬


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QUOTE(Daniel @ Mar 12 2011, 10:23) *
Definite rise in radiation levels since the explosion, with hourly radiation at the plant equal to the safe level over a year. Exclusion zone extended to 20km. Not good. blink.gif


From what I gather from the beeb, the issue is pressure building up in the reactor core after a cooling system failure (caused by an explosion somewhere in the plant during the 'quake). The containment housing for the core hasn't been damaged though, so the levels of radiation should be completely contained at the plant. So it's pretty much a choice between "release some radioactive gas into the atmosphere" or "cross your fingers and pray it doesn't blow up".

That said, other sources are saying there's evidence that containment housing may have been damaged, and the Japanese officials are sugar-coating the truth to prevent panic, in which case, well... I don't want to make people panic anymore than they already are... but if you do happen to be anywhere near south-east Asia right now, it may be worth considering a impromptu holiday.

I blame the paranoia surrounding nuclear power clouding the judgement of journalists, of course, so I'll go with the official explanation.


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Yeah some people are really worked up by this. Our opposition calls for the government to shut down all nuclear power plants in Germany, as the incident in Japan would have shown that nuclear forces couldn't be controlled nor contained.

Why yes, Germany is frequently ravaged by tsunamis and nine-point-something earthquakes.


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