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post Jul 27 2016, 01:29
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No reaction from the Pope thus far. Well, it doesn't matter. One can easily imagine his reaction: Let us pray for the victim, let us not hate the perpetrator, blahblahblah.
What ever happened to the pontifices of old? I want to embark on a crusade.


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post Jul 27 2016, 13:13
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QUOTE(pMASTER @ Jul 27 2016, 10:29) *
What ever happened to the pontifices of old? I want to embark on a crusade.


That's partially how we're in this mess boppin2.gif Not that I had anything to do with the sacking and pillaging or peaceful Islamic cities in the Middle Ages and reside in a nation that was a good 600 years away from Europeans realising there was land here (Way to drop the ball Dutchies. Just leave it another century for the English to colonise. How'd Indonesia work out for you?) but hey, I'm an oppressive infidel anyway! Kill!

I'm not convinced on the whole Crusade thing personally. Leave them alone long enough and the various politically and religiously motivated groups, organisations and nations of the Middle East find a way to squabble among themselves or remember that Israel is still a thing. In fact the Israeli's are being suspiciously restrained considering the mess is almost on their doorstep. Can't they go all Six Day War or Peace for Galilee the redux? Sequels and reboots are all the rage!


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post Jul 27 2016, 13:43
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But, Deus Vult...? ohnoo.gif


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post Jul 27 2016, 14:27
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QUOTE(pMASTER @ Jul 27 2016, 02:29) *
No reaction from the Pope thus far. Well, it doesn't matter. One can easily imagine his reaction: Let us pray for the victim, let us not hate the perpetrator, blahblahblah.


You must be suffering from cataract besides your many other issues tongue.gif

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingne...c-30291477.html

"Surprisingly" enough many news outlets changed his words from "barbaric killings" to "horrific killings" in the titles of their articles since obviously the media can't let the main electorate of it's leftist paymasters be equated to barbarians rolleyes.gif

And no, the crusades didn't start any problems they were merely a reaction to numerous invasions by jihadist armies of Europe starting from the early 600s. Of course no history book in school pays any attention to that since it doesn't fit the political agenda of the socialists and tree huggers of muslims being the aggressors.

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post Jul 27 2016, 21:30
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Francis insists the attack had nothing to do with religion.

Why of course, I wish someone had told the barbaric fuckhead before he cut off that poor old wretch's head that it wasn't a religious issue he felt!
What's this world becoming to, is everyone nuts? How could political correctness sink that deeply into the lot of us?

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post Jul 27 2016, 21:41
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QUOTE(JdB @ Jul 27 2016, 14:27) *
And no, the crusades didn't start any problems they were merely a reaction to numerous invasions by jihadist armies of Europe starting from the early 600s. Of course no history book in school pays any attention to that since it doesn't fit the political agenda of the socialists and tree huggers of muslims being the aggressors.

Seriously? No, I mean, Seriously?! The Crusades did more damage to the Byzantine Empire than they did anyone else.


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post Jul 27 2016, 22:23
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Nobody's denying that, are they.


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post Jul 27 2016, 23:43
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QUOTE(pMASTER @ Jul 27 2016, 22:23) *
Nobody's denying that, are they.

Ok, Contextually Speaking, for that to make sense, you'd need to have read JdB's post, where he literally said the exact thing you've said he didn't:
QUOTE(JdB @ Jul 27 2016, 14:27) *
And no, the crusades didn't start any problems they were merely a reaction to numerous invasions by jihadist armies of Europe starting from the early 600s. Of course no history book in school pays any attention to that since it doesn't fit the political agenda of the socialists and tree huggers of muslims being the aggressors.


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post Jul 28 2016, 02:38
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Dave, I think it was pretty clear what he meant by that. Roughly a dozen crusades against all kinds of targets both in Europe and so called Outremer, yet you didn't ask him to specify if he meant the crusades against the Old Prussians or Albigenses because you knew as well as I did he was referring to Outremer exclusively.
The crusades to the Holy Land being a war of aggression (or them being more brutal than any other war of the time) is a myth created by late anti-colonialists. A Muslim invasion had swept through the Mediterranean region and taken the holy sites, crossed the sea and was barely halted before Tours and Poitiers. It is true the Muslim armies merely did what everyone else was doing back in the day, i.e. conquering, pillaging and raping, yet there was also something new about them: They brought forced conversion with them. Before then, 1st millennium a.d. Christians themselves had rejected the idea of forcing anyone to convert for fear that a forced convert could be prone to becoming beelzebub's little play thing. They would normally rely on charismatic and cunning missionaries or princely conversions (with the prince's people usually following suit), some Christian kings even paid people if they'd agree to convert (that's where the custom of christening gifts comes from).
Reports of people being forced to convert had to scare the crap out of them, and when news reached Europe that the Muslim lords now refused to let pilgrims see the holy sites and even stood by doing nothing while criminals and extremists preyed on the unarmed pilgrims it was inevitable that war would be declared no matter the other (papal) interests involved.
I mean, what would the Muslims have done if Christians had seized Mecca? Right.


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post Jul 28 2016, 10:24
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QUOTE(JdB @ Jul 27 2016, 23:27) *
And no, the crusades didn't start any problems they were merely a reaction to numerous invasions by jihadist armies of Europe starting from the early 600s. Of course no history book in school pays any attention to that since it doesn't fit the political agenda of the socialists and tree huggers of muslims being the aggressors.


You know what... can't we all just agree that back in the day stretching from the Middle Ages, right through the Reconquista, Crusades, Ottoman Invasions, Great War and suppression of tribal dissent with air power (The RAF of the 1920's - where your most dangerous adversary is a camel) we were all massive c**t's to each other with the sacking and raping and murdering and leave it at that? You stay over there with your sand and holy text from the invisible sky friend and we'll keep bacon and alcohol and put up with our own delusional believers with their predominant belief in a slightly different holy text from the same invisibly sky friend.



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post Jul 28 2016, 13:18
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QUOTE(pMASTER @ Jul 28 2016, 02:38) *
Dave, I think it was pretty clear what he meant by that.

Yes. It's very obvious what he meant by it. He meant he thinks "the crusades didn't start any problems". Those were his exact words. Something demonstrably false.

Ugh, you've done that thing again, where you know you're wrong, so you've made up a bunch of bullshit to pad out your post so it looks like you know what you're talking about, when you obviously don't. Now I have to go and find your points among that mess, and sort them out one by one. You don't make my life easy, do you?

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Outremer
Stop making up words to sound smart ya goddamn Franko-Germanic Frog-Kraut, it's "Jerusalem".
QUOTE(pMASTER @ Jul 28 2016, 02:38) *
The crusades to the Holy Land being a war of aggression (or them being more brutal than any other war of the time) is a myth created by late anti-colonialists.
Who exactly? Who is creating this myth? I'm certainly not saying it was, the evil leftist academia you hate so much aren't either. It's pretty much unanimously agreed to be an extension of the Turkic expansionism against the Byzantine Empire.
QUOTE(pMASTER @ Jul 28 2016, 02:38) *
A Muslim invasion had swept through the Mediterranean region and taken the holy sites, crossed the sea and was barely halted before Tours and Poitiers. It is true the Muslim armies merely did what everyone else was doing back in the day, i.e. conquering, pillaging and raping, yet there was also something new about them: They brought forced conversion with them.
No they didn't. There was someone who did famously practice forced conversation in "Holy Wars" against them evil pagans in Saxony, though. Since we're on the subject of the Umayyad's though... They never had a crusade against them, did they? Despite holding half of Spain for a good few centuries? Weird that, isn't it?
QUOTE(pMASTER @ Jul 28 2016, 02:38) *
Reports of people being forced to convert had to scare the crap out of them, and when news reached Europe that the Muslim lords now refused to let pilgrims see the holy sites and even stood by doing nothing while criminals and extremists preyed on the unarmed pilgrims it was inevitable that war would be declared no matter the other (papal) interests involved.
Great, except, again, that stuff didn't happen. Oh, but there was a good example of this exact thing that happened after Charlie did his little thing in Saxony, where the Pagans in Scandinavia were so pissed off about it they started something called "The Viking Age".
QUOTE(pMASTER @ Jul 28 2016, 02:38) *
I mean, what would the Muslims have done if Christians had seized Mecca? Right.

Well, if they followed the Crusaders example, for starters we'd need an equivalent of the Catholics, that is, a group who've historically never held jerusalem and are kinda hated by the Nestorian and Orthodox who have, so I guess the Ibadi or Sufi? First they'd round up a bunch of idiot who have no idea what they're up to, send them all the way across they're own territory, sacking and pillaging their own people, them immediately surrender by the time they actually got to Mecca, make one half decent attempt and actually retake it, then fall apart due to infighting, fail spectacular the next few dozen times, then take it out on the sub-Saharan Africa or India, then try one last time, accidentally end up sacking Medina, and then have their entirely religion fall apart because they were too busy trying to grant absolution to anyone who'll stab a bitch for the Islamic Pope to grant a divorce to Islamic King Henry VIII? Sound about right?

Honestly, you Catholics sometimes tongue.gif


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Eh. Your people took part in the crusades more eagerly and more catholically than the rest of us - until in the end good ol' Henry concluded it was necessary for the lot of you to become apostates so he could shove his scepter into yet another noble treasure vault. biggrin.gif I'm genuinely surprised they didn't decorate Anglican churches with kamasutra illuminations like the Indians did their temples.


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post Jul 29 2016, 00:09
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Well, technically, we did have a lot of temples that were decorated in the Indian Fashion.

They were in India. Which we ruled. tongue.gif


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Yes, yes, but those used to get visited by the primitives. With how things used to be during the Victorian era I'm genuinely surprised there wasn't a viceroy of sorts who ordered the temples taken down.


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QUOTE(D@V£ @ Jul 29 2016, 09:09) *
Well, technically, we did have a lot of temples that were decorated in the Indian Fashion.

They were in India. Which we ruled. tongue.gif


Thank you for the majority of Anglo-Indian cuisine, English chutneys and tikka masala and all the trappings of empire. When it comes to nationalising a company you sure knew how to do it right. Take over a failing enterprise and BOOM several million more subjects and a sub-continent.

However - kedgeree. What the actual fuck.

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post Jul 29 2016, 12:23
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Blasphemy! Kedgeree is fucking delicious.


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Cuisine, eh. Pouring spices on a meal until you've run out of spices ain't no form of art.


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QUOTE(pMASTER @ Jul 29 2016, 18:21) *
Cuisine, eh. Pouring spices on a meal until you've run out of spices ain't no form of art.

Well, that's a good point, but you have to consi- wait, what's that you're trying to hide behind your back there?!


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That's no fucking Bavarian food! We're not even sure if it is edible!


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Give into the currywurst Andi. A diet of currywurst and Berliner Weisse to wash it down will lead to both obesity and happiness.

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