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post Nov 17 2009, 03:32
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I am persisting through sheer stupidity (I'm a masochist...?) I have to reiterate, it is not a milsim. Do not treat it as such. It is a tactical shooter.

It it still coming in second to GRAW 1 & 2 in this regards.

Also, new gripe; At almost any range it takes me, on average, 3-4 rounds to centre mass to kill a PLA soldier.
Now I know that 5.56 lacks some hitting power in regards to ye olde 7.62mm but, seriously? If I am hit in the chest within two seconds by two 5.56mm rounds through my body armour, which if the round penetrates (And they did) will add to my wound as the round will slow and possibly lodge itself within me or tumble through my body...I am not getting back up in a hurry.
In DR it seems they will hit the deck, say 'ouch' or the Chinese equivalent, then merrily prop themselves up to begin firing at you again.

I also discovered I can be in the glass station of an airport control tower when it takes a catastrophic hit and collapses...and remain standing in the centre of what was its bottom floor when the smoke clears, uninjured.

D@VE's 'little people' point seems valid. Either I am very small OR these men have the athletic ability of asthmatics with emphysema to boot. It takes a long time to run or walk anywhere at all. And god help you if you let the AI drive... they do not seem to recognise roads and follow them by default, instead taking a straight line and damn trees rocks or anything. The speed will be limited by your AI driver to as close to 30kph as possible at all times, including when taking fire.

If you turn your brain off it can have it's moments and be a bit of fun, but it is never a great experience and you cannot take it seriously. If I can make the very end of the campaign there is probably something wrong with me.

I shall store all rage and direct it into administration duties (ie, punishing plebs).


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post Nov 17 2009, 09:42
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I have to reiterate, it is not a milsim. Do not treat it as such. It is a tactical shooter.


if something is advertised - it must be treated as advertised

CM about DR told it will be:
- Arma killer
- never seen before military realism, never seen before in any game, large battles etc.
- direct sequel to OFP....

thats why many people treat it as it and hate CM for LIES

if you buy box on which there is written "chocolate" and you hate onions and inside you see onion, not chocolate, than what ? you will say "don't treat it as chocolate, made salad of it" ???

thats why on west you have word "PR" "marketing" and we on east have word "f*** lies"
i hate liars and PR and such like
thats why when CM says it is mil-sim, never seen before in any game level of realism, sequel to OFP1 - i treat and judge it as it was told to be, not as it is

in life, in job, when you lie - you have consequences of such action, shame that you have no it in gaming marketing

look site before, i gave link, when US citizen shows US law about lies in product
if on box of DR is written about servers and there is no such servers , than people should get money back
many who bought this s*** want money back
if gamers will teach a lesson, maybe next company won't lie ?
i haven't bought it, i won't sue anyone , but many people in world are angry that they were cheated for money by "marketing" "PR" "movie previews" and etc.

game was advertised, as it was, not as "usual game"
i never had any doubts to RTCW, AVP, SoF etc. but noone was advertising them as DR was

i think that it is worst for customer, when he is not strict and allows someone take his money for something other than he will to purchase

addons are fun, but selling game is business
like other product, when someone tells me "this car will go easy on dirty road, mud, heavy terrain" than i expect PRODUCT to go there easy, not "man, please go to highway only, cause this is not 4x4 car"
money, money, money - of those who payed for "sequel to OFP, never seen before in any game level of military realism...." etc.

don't say you are person who like to be lied, cheated, stolen for money ?
cause i won't believe, what would you do when someone would lie, cheat, steal next to you ? cause i would kick, beat and etc.

i don't care what is DR in fact, i care what is written on adv.
if i buy "chocolate cake" written on box, i expect to find it inside, not onion-cucumber whatever

in many countries of the world false adv. is against law, thats why for example in some countries adv. when Barbie doll was walking was banned, cause she not walks

it is a matter of "truth" - main moral law in life , i would not care about DR for single second if it was not called like it was

maybe you live in country when "marketing and PR is not making heart beat" but some people on earth really hate all this advertisement tricks and are really angry when product is other , it is not matter of naive, but matter of truth , learning companies to respect our MONEY

we earn MONEY, we pay MONEY and we MUST get what we pay for

and thats why pasted site ago my "jokes", cause as joke 15 - it is sad, when you had to pay to understand
i haven't paid biggrin.gif but some of people yes, and it is sad

or maybe you are very rich and it not a problem for you, that one or second product is not as advertised ??
i am not rich and i care about money i earn very much

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post Nov 17 2009, 10:02
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QUOTE(Wittmann @ Nov 17 2009, 02:32) *
I am persisting through sheer stupidity (I'm a masochist...?) I have to reiterate, it is not a milsim. Do not treat it as such. It is a tactical shooter.


I'd say it thinks it's a simulation and markets itself as a simulation, and that's enough for me to judge it as a simulation. If it was a tactical shooter they wouldn't have called it "Operation Flashpoint", would they?

Besides, it falls on it's ass as a tactical shooter as well. The controls are terrible (what the hell is up with this command wheel? it's a terrible design... I can see how it'd work with some kind of D-Pad, but I'm not playing this on my Sega, am I?), the animations are horrendous (it looks more like your character is doing unspeakable things to that rifle, rather than sprinting), the AI is not capable of hitting a moving target and seems to think cover is something to be avoided (while playing I attacked a group of PLA soldiers in a fortified position, at which point, they all exited said position and stood out in open right in front of it) the weapons are pretty, I'll admit, but they certainly don't act realistically.

Compared as a tactical shooter against stuff like Red Orchestra or Enemy Territory, I'd say it's firmly at the bottom of the pile.


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post Nov 17 2009, 15:20
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question to those who have DR:
- how many models of trees there are ? (i don't say about scaled the same models)
- how many building models there are ? how many types ?
- what is biggest city there ?
- how many models of units there are ? (don't say about reskin, but model mesh)


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post Nov 18 2009, 01:40
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Not sure on model's or tree's as I don't really get into editing but I had a quick look in the editor (It's separate to the game - and clunky. Fail) and there were two 'large' town's I discovered. There are no cities.

The largest town is about equivalent to Polana or Dolina in Chernarus.

The map also seems smaller (Though due to low travel speeds crossing it takes an age)

http://www.techno-logic.de/unit1/images/fo...skira_empty.jpg

That island in the bottom right for instance is where the first mission takes place.
It's about 2.5 km long and gives you reference for the rest of the island...


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QUOTE(vilas @ Nov 17 2009, 15:20) *
question to those who have DR:
- how many models of trees there are ? (i don't say about scaled the same models)
- how many building models there are ? how many types ?
- what is biggest city there ?
- how many models of units there are ? (don't say about reskin, but model mesh)
Wait - you do not even own the game?


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post Nov 19 2009, 20:18
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Best review i've heard D@v£, i could see all your points,would like to see it published on the CM forums smile.gif
 
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post Nov 19 2009, 20:52
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I just calls'em how I sees'em.

The simple fact is that CM are claiming this is "realistic", "researched" and a sequel to OFP. It's, in my opinion at least, less realistic than most games, (heck, in terms of damage values, DooM was more realistic, in terms of vehicle handling, stuff like UT2K4 was more realistic and in terms of environment Farcry was more realistic. When three of the most arcade-ey shooters out there can trump you on the three major points of realism, you've clearly gone wrong somewhere), their research clearly can't have gone much beyond looking at the wikipedia pages on the equipment featured (I again point you towards to lack of understanding as to what a magazine release is), and, quite frankly, to call this a sequel to OFP is like calling a Gorilla a sequel to [inset name of attractive female celebrity here].


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It's codemasters...they do not learn.

They do shiny and PR. Like DiRT. Alot of folk's were not happy with that 'realistic' rally sim either tongue.gif

I guess that's why my bile is not as vindictive. I expected shite and I got it. I did not expect a sim despite their assertion's and I did not get one.

Still, as soon as the campaign is finished, this borrowed copy is going right back to my cousin.


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Still, as soon as the campaign is finished, this borrowed copy is going right back to my cousin.


the case became a chew toy for my labradoor, much better use than what it was holding smile.gif
 
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Hi, after download the OFP2 Demo from the Steam, i just can say that... if someone offers me the OFP2 for 1Ä, i wouldn't buy it. If someone gives it to me for free... i wouldn't take it. And... if i see it thrown in the street floating in the middle of a pair of containers... i wouldn't pick it up. Let's C ya


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Youknow, as someone who doesn't own ArmA2, I really think I've chosen the second-best by getting Flashpoint 2 instead. As an old-school flashpoint fan, it really doesn't feel like the same game at all. In the slightest..

Its kind of like, someone got BF2, upped the graphics and stuck it on a big island.

I really think I'll be investing in ArmA2..


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The REAL ofp2 just have different names, now it has then the so-called 'Game2' now has no name, there is a reason to cry? And we just learned that the armed raid, you can not expect from the Bank for International Settlements within 6 months 2 games...
 
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