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[Elliot Carver]

"US Navy women have first gay kiss"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16308478

Just had to laugh at this. After the end of dont-ask-dont-tell this 'just so happened to be stunning' female sailor won a 'ship wide raffle that had loads of people enter' to have the first kiss when the ship docked with her 'equally as stunning' female partner. Makes you wonder how high up the chain that set-up went seeing as Obama got rid of DADT himself. Gay hate scandal ahoy

[pMASTER]

Never understood how the US society, usually giving lots of props to America's troops, could tolerate DADT. I think it was outrageous that people who merely wanted to serve their nation were treated so badly just because of their sexual orientation.

Just out of curiosity, why is it that homosexuals are called "gay" in English? In all honesty I've always been wondering about that.

In other news military, things have finally been settled with regards to the German Army reform. In the future we will maintain a "force" of about 100 combat companies in 2 mechanised divisions and 1 light division with just about 250 Leopard 2, 350 Puma and roughly 3000 armored vehicles. Air Defence and some other core capacities such as mine laying will be given up entirely.

[Elliot Carver]

At a guess 'gay' was used as a offensive term which became a common word, much like the name 'Bo-Starr, son of Crow-Starr, Grandson of Po-Starr'

Tell you what i've got a lot of respect for the German military. They are the only western force with the balls to modernise towards a future battlefield with future techs and weaponry unlike the rest of us who just replace the existing platforms with shinier ones. Bit of a gamble if ww3 kicks off tho.

Reason for edit: Mandatory Bo-Starr Compliance Issues

[JdB]

other core capacities such as mine laying will be given up entirely.

Good, because almost 100 years afterwards we're still busy fishing your mines out of the Channel

[JdB]

http://noergelecke.blogsome.com/2012/02/16...-tag-einfuhren/

I commend PM Wulff for falling on his own sword to keep this political suicide attack by one of his ministers out of the mainstream news ...

I suspect the argument in the press between the CDU and die linke will go something like this:

This proposal is only meant for members of the Bundeswehr that served after 1993.

ZOMFG NAZIS!!!

As we have stated, this proposal is only meant for members of the Bundeswehr that served after 1993.

ZOMFG NAZIS!!! vote for me!

Ok, we'll continue to look in to this matter and will publish our findings in due course (when hell freezes over)

And the plan is shelved.

I'm curious, these people consider placing bombs in the Berlin metro system as serving Germany, will they demand their own memorial plaque?

[pMASTER]

If I remember correctly there was some Dutch "artist" who installed a memorial to "Taliban fighters" in Berlin on September 11 2011 to protest the new memorial to fallen Bundeswehr soldiers. Berlin is not only the capital of Germany but also of militant pacifism, violent leftism and utter idiocy in general.
As for the proposal at hand, I'd leave political correctness out of this. Both my grandfathers served in WW2 simply because they had to and I'm quite sure they wouldn't want to be "honored" within the framework of a German veterans memorial day.

[Blackscorpion]

Today, 27th April (well, yesterday to be exact, for Finland and most of Europe), is the Veteran's Memorial Day in Finland.

Thank you for your sacrifice, paying a heavy price for my current safety. And RIP for those who have fallen, whether in combat or in their own bed peacefully.

Life In Trenches
(1939, Originally traditional folk tune, lyrics by Usko Kemppi)

As our way headed for battles,
where only the song of the bullets played,
we never knew as we departed,
who may sometimes return.
This life in trenches is
to us only a command of the Fate
and maybe the destination of our journey
is to disappear in the noise of war.

As the day already changed to night,
a brief moment arrived for resting,
they have all fallen asleep,
where the campfire gives warmth.
I keep remembering You again,
I still see a tear on your cheek,
Though I might be left on the battlefield,
Your picture is the last one.

[pMASTER]

Rumor has it Germany is about to ditch the G36 for another service weapon. It appears as even though the freshly produced rifle is a grand piece of equipment, the perfomance of older or heavily used (->Afghanistan) G36s deteriorated enormeously. Weapons which were only a few months old would show a 1,2 m drop on 200 meters (!).
The military and the government have successfully withheld reports on this issue for a pretty long time - but now not anymore.
I was aware of a call for bids for a supplementary weapon but it seems it is actually being planned to look for a replacement. Ironically, the competitors are all (but one) based on the American assault rifle system: Schmeisser AR-15, Heckler& Koch HK416, Heckler& Koch HK417, Swiss Arms SIG 516 and Swiss Arms SIG SAPR (basically a Sig550 in 7.62 NATO) .

Today, 27th April (well, yesterday to be exact, for Finland and most of Europe), is the Veteran's Memorial Day in Finland.

Thank you for your sacrifice, paying a heavy price for my current safety. And RIP for those who have fallen, whether in combat or in their own bed peacefully.

May they rest in peace. t 

[Blackscorpion]

What the hell? Using the standard SS109 at around 15°C and normal air pressure, that means a muzzle velocity of slightly under 450 m/s... at the normal ~920 m/s muzzle velocity, the drop shouldn't be that much until at around 400 meters with normal 5.56 military ammo. Sand grinding the barrel and gas system, leading to huge leaks, perhaps?

[D@V£]

I seem to recall hearing the polymer handguard denatures from prolonged use, causing the barrel to be misaligned. Apparently this issue got fixed by HK, but it wouldn't surprise me if the climate over there exacerbated the issue.

[pMASTER]

The problem appears to be related to the locking mechanism's bedding (I'm translating litterally here, having no idea what the correct English term might be). It's made from scarcely heat conducting plastic and can suffer an irreversible deformation after as few as 120 consecutive shots under combat conditions. Another flaw - also related to the used material - is that the rifle's deployment under combat conditions in a hot and arid environments such as Afghanistan can cause a distortion of the sight-containing carrying handle, thus leading to decreased accuracy. This problem was dealt with by replacing the carrying handles and other sensitive parts with aluminium-made replacements but of course that's no desirable situation either.

[Wittmann]

Buy Steyrs from the Austrians, worked for us

[Blackbuck]

Speaking of military things clicky. Anybody fancy a .338 M240 / MAG? D:

[Wittmann]

DO WANT

[JdB]

Buy Steyrs from the Austrians, worked for us

They're Germans. As far as they are concerned, H&K is the only firearms manufacturer in the world

[pMASTER]

The bitter irony is that the AUG was a competitor in the very same bidding the G36 would eventually win.
A deeper look into the matter reveals that H&K isn't to blame for this developing situation, though - they simply built a rifle in accordance to very detailed perfomance specifications (and those were crap). With the G28 DMR (an enhanced HK417) just being introduced and the G27 (another variant of the HK417) already in service with the special forces, I venture to guess H&K would win the contract for another service rifle as well.

[Blackscorpion]

USMC got their first operational F-35 squadron... it has begun... the machines will rise...


Then again, the definition of "operational" is still a bit unclear, but...

[pMASTER]

OMFG.
Actually, I'm kind of unimpressed. New enhancements of the radar technology are about to render conventional stealth features moot. So in the end they - and other future operators of the F-35 - will pay horrendous sums for an aircraft that's not drastically more capable than the one its meant to replace.

[D@V£]

OMFG.
Actually, I'm kind of unimpressed. New enhancements of the radar technology are about to render conventional stealth features moot. So in the end they - and other future operators of the F-35 - will pay horrendous sums for an aircraft that's not drastically more capable than the one its meant to replace.

And how many of the US's current enemies have modern radar equipment? Heck, how many of them have radar equipment that's less than 30 years old?

[Blackbuck]

Short of China? Not many.