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Posted by: Lt. Earth Apple Aug 4 2007, 13:06

Well, I opened the recommended Air Soft thread

Here's my Problem again :

Got a question:
I want to buy an Airsoft, but there are some problems.
The first one is the fact I'm living in Germany and not anymore in Switzerland where AEGs >0.5 Joules are allowed, and combined with the problem I'm only 16, it results it's not possible to own legaly any good and powerfull AEGs (only Semi-AEGs, and even there, officialy I'm to young for them)

So AEG's <0.5 are allowed when you are older than 14, but the most time, it's cheap crap, so I wanted to know your opinion about this gun and the maker



AS-24 SCAR L
Details:
Caliber: 6 mm BB
System: AEG - Automatic Electric Gun
Material: ABS and metal parts
Mag: ca. 300 rounds.
Length: ca. 610 mm / 775mm
Weight: ca. 3.000 g
Scale: 1:1
Range: ca. 50 m
Energy: ca. 0,45 Joule (+- 0,03)
Gearbox: Metall Version 2

Is it worth the 140 € ?

Thanks for you opinion

PS: Not sure if it's the right thread

I guess I found out they're sold in germany by AS24, and in the UK they are "imported" by JLS or Jing Gong, but It's my main problem to find out if that's true

Posted by: JdB Aug 4 2007, 22:28

..."Soft-air"? Maybe you translated it wrong, the english term is "airsoft"...

Posted by: Lt. Earth Apple Aug 4 2007, 23:12

Sorry, its softair in German

Posted by: GIJOE94 Sep 8 2007, 15:57

Looking at it it's very good and powerfull, I'm not sure on the accuracy and these weapons only fine bb's of a certain weight which you'd have to by from the manufacturer of the gun, but these can be expensive. All in all it seems a good weapon but very expensive. You can get some goodones from the internet. I got an AEG (CYMA) metal AK-47 which fires 1600 rnds per minit (Which I strongly reccomend). It's quite accurate and has a range of 200 ft.It started life as a chinese copy of the ak-47 it has then been altered to fire ball barings.All the working parts have been removed and electric parts added. There fore it still has its authentic look and weight. I bought it from some online store.I Saving up for a drum magazine for it (To make it look like an RPK-47) which costs around $150. I like the minimi airsoft gun which is about $340 which fires about 3000 rnds per minit. Unfortunately I won't be able to get one of these scince there is a ban against AEG's (Being sold) in october in England.

Posted by: King Homer Sep 8 2007, 16:39

Professional Airsoft gaming is still called Airsoft in Germany.
Just the cheap airsoft with less than a have joule energy are so called "Softairs".

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 8 2007, 17:19

WTF That isn't what's happening... They are not banning them they are trying to come to an agreement with the skirmishing community...

It's a load of bolloks to be honest and won't last a year.

Read http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=62428. Also sign http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveAirsoft/.

EDIT -



The above is a letter to my MP John Spellar. GIJOE I'm not sure who your's is in Yardley so have a look http://www.writetothem.com/ to find your local MP. Carver I suggest you do the same if you haven't already. God I'm gonna get so Pissed if my M16 doesn't get here!

Copying and pasting from MS word got garbled but it liked the letter so don't worry.

Posted by: D@V£ Sep 8 2007, 19:01

So, let's get this straight, the government thinks that by increasing state control and civil dissatisfaction will help decrease, rather than increase, the chance of Gun Crime?

*signed*

Posted by: GIJOE94 Sep 8 2007, 19:15

Aparently they don't know if it's going to happen yet. I heard it from a website which I was looking at air rifles. The polocy said: "After 1st of october you will only be able to buy transparent bb guns". It might only be in scotland though because I was looking at airsoftscotland.com. I'll try and get a video of my bb gun. Here's the link to which I bought my klashnikov: http://www.geniestuff.co.uk/htdocs/ak47-cyma-cm028-partmetal-airsoft-aeg-tokyo-marui-compatible.htm

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 8 2007, 19:36

My exact thoughts.

@GIJOE the one I'm looking at is a WGC Custom M4 or M16 with a converion kit to make it either of the ones I buy like M16 - M4 or M4 - M16

Posted by: GIJOE94 Sep 8 2007, 20:06

Nice!!!!! I've seen them at some webstite. They look real cool! Saw RPK-47 drum magazine on net!!!!!

Posted by: Elliot Carver Sep 8 2007, 20:54

lo folks,

Yeah, from what ive understood from the little info we've been fed over the last 2 years is that were going to be licenced. A bit like owning a real gun our RIF (Realistic Imitation Firearm) will have to be licenced and we shall have to carry the certificates on us with the guns. There will be a set list of things we can and cant do with our guns which is being disscussed between the Airsoft Council and the Govenmnet. Also, and unsuprisngly, becuase the governement couldnt get their way with an outright ban the licence will be used to price us out of the game. To be honest im half expecting the government to say stuff us and raid everyone whos known to them with a RIF. The morning newspapers reading "massive countrywide gun ring smashed - 325 arrests" It will also leave us in the possition of what to do with the guns. We will be arrested if we try to hand them in at the police station and arrested if we try to destroy them. its gunna be an awkward time for us airsofters...

Posted by: GIJOE94 Sep 8 2007, 21:03

Yeah Will you still be able to own one though? Just thinking of haveing to get rid of my beautiful AK brings me to tears.

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 8 2007, 22:18

AFAIK You can still own one you already have. Carver fancy going to London or writing to a few influencial people?

Posted by: D@V£ Sep 8 2007, 22:23

I dunno, seperatism sounds like a pretty good solution to me... I mean, I would quite like to make Birmingham the Capital... I mean, open rebellion is always a good idea, right?

Posted by: Blackscorpion Sep 8 2007, 22:59

Until they bring in the armed forces... Jan 30, 1972 for example.

Sad thing... as are the "miscases" of airsoft. Just fooling around. Doesn't banning airsoft guns also mean that the people misusing them might also be couraged to maybe get a real firearm?

GIJOE... 1600 rounds per minute? Doesn't that put one helluva stress on the mechanics? And well... if it's shooting ball bearings out to 200ft ('bout twice the normal max effective range, given especially muzzle velocity), are you even allowed to use it anywhere? Sounds like a fully automatic pellet gun. "Working parts replaced by electric ones", does that mean it has a MOSFET or something? It's kinda hard to fire an AEG without a cylinder, unless it's a gauss gun that is. Plus the choise of BBs is determined rougly by your needs and the muzzle energy of the gun. The more fps in stock form, the heavier the ammunition. Energy doesn't change, after all.

Plus I doubt that any AEG (with single barrel) shoots at 3000 rounds per minute... that'd just expose the parts to unneeded stress. Seen few AS gatlings though - atleast one Finnish guy actually has one. Looks mean with Terminator set.

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=JG-AEG-6617_cat_Jing%20Gong%20AEGs

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 8 2007, 23:37

IF I can find a way round my parents who have clammed up on me due to the ban I would have a nice WGC Custom M4 or M16 with a conversion kit to turn the one I bought into the other one IE M16 - M4 and vice versa. I'd also have between 4 - 20 magazines an aimpoint replica on 30mm rings made by G&P a Vert' grip and RIS Pannels and to top it off a bespoke wooden carry case with foam cut outs made by me... God damn the stupid British Government that rules us!

Posted by: Elliot Carver Sep 8 2007, 23:45

@HH: Been there done that voted, written, met, chatted, marched, played ... our team has done as much as we could to get the Yeovil teams voices heard. I believe we even invited our local MP to come play a game with us Also Been to London as well

Yes you will be able to own one but what we need to do is get in touch with local police or firearms and find out about the licensing. As the law comes into force in 3 weeks you would rather find out now that u need to apply for the license than from the arresting C019 officer at 5.30am on October 1st. Its serious too becuase RIFs are being moved up a class to class 1 firearms - like real guns - so you will be subject to the same punishments too!

Unfortunately i can almost guarantee that the license costs will be extortionate and as im moving into a flat with in the month there is no way im going to be able to afford it. Which is exactly where most airsofters under the age of 30 will be ... right where the government wants them too...sucks

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 8 2007, 23:49

Fu*king hell. What gets me is that this law is not going to work for it's intended purpose which leads me to think what next...

Posted by: Blackscorpion Sep 8 2007, 23:50

...you're mad.

20 mags, happy ferrying them around! I'm doing well with the 4 atm... each offers few secs of full auto, and that's not the usual case anyways. Plus I (will) carry a mag loader around.

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 8 2007, 23:52

Who said they were all to carry. Just STAR Plastic ones for target trap in the Garage we got for me old AEG pistol poor thing RIP. I'd prefer some G&P ally's but meh prices.

Posted by: D@V£ Sep 9 2007, 00:19

Blackscorpy, you've seen Mark's throwing stuff list, you know full well he's insane...

either that or he's some sort of mule... which brings about the question as to how he can use a computer, nevermind an airsoft rifle...

Posted by: GIJOE94 Sep 9 2007, 12:36

I only read it out of the manual. It is very powerful. It advises you not to constantly fire it and fire 3-5 shots at a time. I use it in the entry of our house, so no one can see what I'm shooting (Mostly tin cans and stuff). The minimi said it shoots that much because it shared the parts with tokoyo marui (If thats how you spell it) and runs of a box magazine. Good though. You seen wolf armories minigun! Blew the crap out of a telly.

Posted by: Blackscorpion Sep 21 2007, 14:12

From the http://forum.armedassault.info/index.php?showtopic=53&st=3220&gopid=21591&#entry21591 thread...

Bought my CA M15 used. Works well. Charger, battery, GP 30mm Aimpoint copy, 4 regular (68 rnd) mags... 350 euros including postals. Add to that BBs (Super King .2 g biodegradables) and my qualified mask (which I haven't used yet), which would be roughly 40 euros more.

I'm assuming you're ordering that abroad - WGC or RedWolf? Good thing for you... USD is at its lowest at the moment. Good for importing USD-priced stuff. With the current rates, the package will cost rougly 3050 NOK plus shipping and customs.

From what I've read... consider a G36. Especially a Jing Gong G36C - Chinese copy of the TM one, haven't tested it but I haven't managed to find a bad review about it yet, either. And yeah, it's said to be 100% (well, about 98-99% atleast) compatible. What's best, it costs about 80 USD, and unlike the big manufacturers, they also give you a mag (hi-cap one... but so are the ones you'd buy for your M4, apparently), charger (which doesn't fit most/any (isolated) European plugs ) and a battery. Plus some BBs.

The pistol... upon your choise. I do have one, an old Beretta I bought (well, it was bought for me) for about 15 euros from some car part shop YEARS ago. Still hits some stuff tho', and I gave it to a friend of mine when we went softing for the first (and so far, only) time.

Posted by: NorwayTiger Sep 21 2007, 17:01

It will mostly be a M4 because the TM got it in a "beginner pack" from that site. For Elliot: The Pistol is spring. a gas or electric one would make it go a bit over what i can afford soon. i made the list from http://www.wgcshop.com and camo cloths and vest i will get later

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 21 2007, 17:31

In my opinion forget the pistol for now and get a rifle or SMG or whatever. Once I can find a way to sort mine out next year I'm gonna have enough money for a TM M1a SOCOM or alike...

Posted by: GIJOE94 Sep 21 2007, 17:40

Anyone know where I can get a cheap drum magazine that fits the ak series? I've looked for ages and they're all around $140 (70 GBP)

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 21 2007, 17:42

Not that I know of because for the most part they are electric charged ones stick to 30rders I say...

Posted by: Blackscorpion Sep 21 2007, 18:53

Dude, 30 rounds isn't much in airsoft. I know because I got "killed" with a 70 rounder (which I'd already used a bit of beforehand).

Untested Scorpy starter package, provided by WGC.

460.5 USD. That's 48000 BBs, 3 mags and 3 batteries, keep in mind. Another options would include some other type of battery (or just 1 or 2 - should be enough), maybe some other mask and possibly some other mags. Depends on what you want - MAG makes 100 round mags but the 2x pack (18 USD) is out of stock as of now. BBs are also an issue to think of - what kind of trajectory and quality do you want, and how much you're shooting.

Carver, others - whaddya think?


GIJOE... http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=TOP-MAG-DMAKSF_cat_Manual%20Winding%20Magazine.

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 21 2007, 18:58

I meant 30rders as in the RL counterparts...

Posted by: NorwayTiger Sep 21 2007, 19:50

Scorpy, could you add a usable spring pistol too? (with extra mags)

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 21 2007, 19:52

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?cat=Marui%20Spring%20Pistols Marui offer a lot of choices they have a couple of electric ones too.

Posted by: NorwayTiger Sep 21 2007, 20:07

Well, i think i will have a spring as a start... but what does it mean with "hop up"?

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 21 2007, 20:32

That help ?

Posted by: NorwayTiger Sep 21 2007, 20:40

yes it did.. so basicly it makes the "bullet" fly higher then "normaly"?

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 21 2007, 21:18

Pretty much keeps em flying longer.

Posted by: Blackscorpion Sep 21 2007, 21:19

It creates a backspin for the BB, which kinda acts like rifling of normal rifles, in a way - it creates a momentum that counters the effects of gravity, in effect giving the guns a lot longer range. Does somewhat negatively effect accuracy, though, but it's offset by the range AS guns are used at. For sniper rifles, "solid" HopUp (the unit is part of the barrel) is somewhat prefertable, as it's factory calibrated for certain ammunition.

As for the springers... well, dunno. Mine cost about 15 euros, as I said, and is closer to 8 years old now. Still pretty useful as an extreme backup, though. I suggest you get something reasonably priced, pretty good gun that you personally like and that features hop-up.

Posted by: The Lord Sep 21 2007, 21:20

Not really.

It basically puts a spin on the pellet, a little like rifling on a barrel except hop up acts vertically on it. The spinning means the pellet will travel more accuratly and wont go in such random directions. The hopup you put on the greater the spin, so the greater the accuracy I guess. It makes the pellet drop much quicker though.

I got the hop on my M16VN set up perfectly and have a scope fitted to the carry handle. Got 4 "shorty" mags for it also, and a tactical vest for holding them in. I love airsoft

Posted by: GIJOE94 Sep 21 2007, 21:22

Thanks for thay but erm... I've already seen them. Theyre just the shell not the actual thing. It's part of a kit you make your self. Evryone who says this drum magazine is 30rnd- your very wrong. They hold up to 2500 rnds.

Posted by: The Lord Sep 21 2007, 21:27

lol sorry to you scorpion you beat me to it

Posted by: Elliot Carver Sep 21 2007, 21:31

lol dudes, we need to get together for a game some time

"Star 2500rd Electric Driven Auto-Winding Drum Mag for All AK Series"

70 - 80 quid bout the best your gunna get buddy

oh and dont bother with spring pistol ... not worth it at all ... save for gas, always hehe

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 21 2007, 23:18

Erm I meant as in real life 30 rd magazine style I know very well how many rds they can hold jsut said your better off with the "30 round style mags" if you don't want to fork out for a decent drum...

Posted by: Helping Hand Sep 29 2007, 11:18

How many ways are there to reduce the velocity of your gun? The only way I know of is to use the TM reducer adapter for your barrel but I'm not sure if that'd fit the new VFC SCAR... Anyone got any ideas?

Posted by: UNIT-716 Oct 18 2007, 21:12

sorry to necropost...

the easy option is to either get a lower powered main spring or to cut the main spring down a bit. both I wouldn’t advise doing unless you’ve got experience with opening up AEG mechboxes. (one wrong move when opening a mechbox and you'll be trying to find all the parts for hours... then you’ve got to get it all back together ) other than that the TM velocity reducer is the only sensible and consistent way to bring muzzle velocity down.

Posted by: Helping Hand Oct 25 2007, 10:14

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/NewsDetail?newsID=800

Well this was inevitable. Redwolf have stopped shipping weapons to the UK until further notice.

Posted by: D@V£ Oct 25 2007, 11:16

I'mma telling you! 4 operatives for each police station and council building, a team of 16 for large government buildings. The majority of the armed forces are abroad right now and the police are in their worst state ever. This isn't just doable, it'd be a walk in the park. As revolutions go, this would be easier than hiding in a toilet and waiting for the entire government to pop round for tea and biscuits.

The only real problem would be getting weaponary...

Posted by: JdB Oct 25 2007, 16:16

90% of the police in the UK doesn't have firearms, so a good martial arts course should suffice

Posted by: Helping Hand Oct 25 2007, 16:29

Yea but the ones that do have are notorious for being trigger happy unfortunately. However to stick with the theme of airsoft does anyone have any info on the KSC series of Glocks? I'm thinking of getting one of the G26s when I canget the stuff next year...

Posted by: D@V£ Oct 25 2007, 19:01

I have the perfect response to that. But it's not suitable for these boards (I think). Remind me online and I'll tell you

@JdB
Good point, didn't think of it that way
Of course, 10% is still far more than we'd be looking at in our teams, so we'd want our the firepower we could get. And preferabley some stuff to increase surviablity. Maybe crossbows? I don't think you need anything special to buy them (that's how screwed up the law is here! You need to be registered at 90 different places to buy what is essentially a really complex sling that can only fire bits of plastic, but you can merrily walk in anywhere and buy a simple piece of equipment that can impale itself in the eye of a King Harold at over 100 yards)




(For those of you who don't know, Harold was the chap who decided he should be King instead of William. He's somewhat famous for having an arrow impaled in his eye while simulatianiously being hacked to death)

Posted by: Blackscorpion Oct 25 2007, 19:29

I'm yet to find a bad thing about its review over at Leka, so... main negative points are the small size (not too small though) and small, 16-round mag capacity. Apparently the thing does come with an adapter for longer mags, though. Heavy, tough built, accurate and the blowback kick and sound is said to be sufficient, atleast.

Posted by: Helping Hand Oct 25 2007, 23:41

Just got my cousin into AS by accident... Oh well means a team mate I can trust on. Someone post him an ideal starter packet on a budget please I'd be ever so grateful *looks at carver when he comes back and scorpy as carvers stand in as AS guru*

Posted by: UNIT-716 Oct 30 2007, 21:24

id say that ideal starter kits are all subjective but heres my recomendations.

if you want to be british:
ARMY L85A1 from Airsoftworld @ £115.00
+ clone of the g&g L85A1 with fixed blowback and made out of pressed steel
+ can take custom 9.6v sub-c battery in handguard without mods
+ comes with a free battery, it works ok but it isnt the best
- like the g&g the scope rail dimentions are wrong so it has to be filed down to take a star SUSAT
- may have problems down the line due to cheapness

if you want an M4
ICS M4A1 from zerooneairsoft @ £210.00
+ nice features, split top gearbox, working spring release and full metal
+ Indestructable (belive me iv done alot to mine that would make the average airsofter cry)
+ 328fps stock
- not as cheap as TM or ACM
- non standard gearbox shell and nozzel and hop-up mech

if you want somthing for the urban site
TM MP5A4 from zerooneairsoft @ £160.00 (I think)
+ cheap, strong and well built
+ can hold a very big battery
+ almost as broard an upgrade path as the M4
- small capacity mags that are long and a pain to fit in standard webbing

I wouldnt get batterys from an airsoft shop till youv checked out all the local scale model and flying model shops as my local one has the same batterys that 01 sell for half the price 0_0


hope this helps

Posted by: Blackscorpion Oct 30 2007, 21:45

I've got a CA M15A4 Tac Carbine - takes a Large-type battery (handy for long and cold games) inside the buttstock, has a Picatinny or Weaver rail (I'm guessing Picatinny) and a detachable carrying handle with the standard ironsights. Not too long, not too short, not too heavy and quite well balanced. Prices might be somewhat steep, though.

As I've said before, atleast some of the newer "Cheap China" production - JG, some of Cyma, ARMY - seems to be of a fairly good quality. Still keeping to G36C.

I thought MP5 mags were about half the size of a STANAG one?

Posted by: Helping Hand Oct 30 2007, 21:55

Cheers I'll pas it on to him.

Posted by: JdB Oct 30 2007, 22:01

Not length wise

Posted by: UNIT-716 Nov 2 2007, 22:11

Although alot of people now swear by CA guns Im still wary of their shoddy QC and their ott pricing. Im a ICS armalite user due to the split top box and robust design allowing you to do some very interesting things with the guns.

at the mo im toying with the idea of getting a solid stock for my m4 and then a second @ 425fps with no auto, to use in a DM role then I could carry the gun i wasnt using split down in my backpack



Im with you on that dude, alot of ACM guns are comming out that actualy are better than the guns there cloned from :?
Take the http://www2.rsov.com/product_info.php?cPath=105_142_149&products_id=785&osCsid=4e921ce1188f13bf3d220335728f4de2(TM VSR-10 clone) that with a few wraps of PTFE tape and a cutdown air brake shoots about 475fps and its like £37.00... cant wait for a british retailer to get some in
then theres the http://www2.rsov.com/product_info.php?cPath=105_142_151&products_id=988&osCsid=4e921ce1188f13bf3d220335728f4de2 that fixes the only bad point about the G&G L85A1, the fact that its blowback mech has to be disabled or it would destroy the piston in 100 cycles or the http://www2.rsov.com/product_info.php?cPath=105_142_151&products_id=875&osCsid=4e921ce1188f13bf3d220335728f4de2 that has a beefed up barrel support and makes the weapon alot more stable than the TM M1A1' Also think of the accessories, for airsoft mill-spec and hunting optics are mostly overkill so why pay £100 for say a green laser when you could get a http://www2.rsov.com/index.php?cPath=105_129_173&osCsid=4e921ce1188f13bf3d220335728f4de2 for £30 that still retains beam cohesion and focus at 1km plus.

not to mention the reports that ACM guns come with 6.04mm barrels stock... if anyone cant tell im very excited about all the new stuff flodding out of china



if your talking lenght then yes there are some half length 20rnd mp5 mags but in general the mp5 mags are longer that STANAG/M16 mags due to the larger caliber bullets close the length of 30rnd 7.62 mags but thinner due to the MP5 firing the shorter "pistol chambered" rounds.

if you were replying to my post, the main reason I put the mention about the mag length in was that because of there length some webbing pouches have to strech a little go over the mags but due to there width they have a tendency to move side to side in the pouch and then out from under the main flap at the most inconvenient times... iv dropped a few mp5 mags that way in the past :/

Posted by: Hornet85 Nov 14 2007, 22:12

one more milsimer/airsofter.

the gear i use right now


Me at the worlds largest airsoft game


My guns
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Airsoft/102_0023-1.jpg

Posted by: D@V£ Nov 14 2007, 23:17

So, they actually let you have a gun with a barrel that actually has a hole in it?
Wow, the Danish Army is mad

Posted by: NorwayTiger Nov 16 2007, 20:47

i do not know if you are completely clear about it, but those are airsoft weapons and they usually need a hole to fire the BB out from.

After some months i have a complete list for my airsoft
now i'll just wait a few weeks to see if i can afford it like very soon or if i must wait to over new year.
I am planning on getting a HK416, just like the norwegian army

Posted by: Helping Hand Nov 16 2007, 20:53

I believe that it was sarcasm. If you want to get a HK416 how much are you going to spend

Posted by: NorwayTiger Nov 16 2007, 21:09

Well the content on my list comes on about $355.49, but then there is taxes and shipping too so..

why?

Posted by: D@V£ Nov 16 2007, 21:28

Actually it's a reference to the fact that the Swedish Army gave Hornet a 249 which didn't have a hole for bullets to come out
Don't listern to anything he might say about Blank Fire adaptors! We know the truth

Posted by: Helping Hand Nov 16 2007, 22:03

The 416s I've seen are kinda expensive...

Posted by: NorwayTiger Nov 16 2007, 22:07

Hong Kong
It will be my starter weapon

Posted by: Helping Hand Nov 16 2007, 22:11

I like http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=MAGP-AEG-AC_cat_Magpul%20AEGs personally ^^

but http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=VFC-AEG-HK416D145RS_cat_VFC%20AEGs is was I meant about price €307

Posted by: NorwayTiger Nov 16 2007, 22:19

Well, that was sorta.. expensive yes... who knows, maybe i buy it when i start going to airsoft games with hornet, after i turn 18
I am getting a replica version, and it weights more then that one

Posted by: Helping Hand Nov 16 2007, 22:26

Wait that is a replica... There are others but meh.

Posted by: NorwayTiger Nov 16 2007, 22:36

Sounds like you are wondering about what my list consist of

Posted by: Helping Hand Nov 16 2007, 22:41

Just wanted to know if you were getting the VFC one

Posted by: NorwayTiger Nov 16 2007, 23:05

hardly, would need to rob a store first then

Edit: i actually got help from hornet to put together the list you know he is pro right?

Posted by: TheVipersFang Nov 28 2007, 12:49

AirSoft is illegal in Australia for some dumb unknown reason

Doesn't seem to matter how often we petition or protest the government. For some reason a lot of Aussies seem to be terrified of guns, especially women. No fair I demand a refund! You guys who can buy and play AirSoft should really enjoy it.

Posted by: Elliot Carver Nov 29 2007, 13:50

There we go folks, the crack down on airsoft happened finaly last night! 1,296 imitation firearms pulled out of middle england...probs going to be our turn in the west or up north later on in the week. Was wondering when it would happen *le sigh*

Posted by: JynX Nov 30 2007, 19:38

Yello, muggins 'ere is looking to get info on Airsoft in the UK and what kinda kit I should be looking at/for
links would be great.
Had a look around an am still slightly confused by it all lol

Posted by: BigglesTrevor Nov 30 2007, 20:19

hey Jynx, im not an airsoft regular, but ive been a few times. I would recomend getting some mates together and organising a day trip to an airsoft centre. All you need to do then is take your best combats/webbing and rent out the Rifle/Mask and buy some BB's on site. if you can see yourself doing it regularly and enjoy it the go for it. Saves wasting a few hundred pounds on somthing you may decide you cant commit that often too.

Posted by: Hornet85 Nov 30 2007, 21:46

Isent Airsoft in UK realy hard now with the almost ban of it?

Posted by: Helping Hand Nov 30 2007, 22:12

No. Not really. Be 18 and registered to a site that is in the UKARA database and have to airsoft certain amounts in a year...

Posted by: JynX Dec 1 2007, 04:40

sounds like a plan/excuse to shoot up my lab partners!

I'm happy blowing money on useless crap tbh. and i dinnae own any webbing mate, plenty of cargoes and mock nato jacket but thats it

Posted by: Blackscorpion Dec 1 2007, 12:04

That's sufficient. Depending on the gun, the mags might easily fit in your jacket; with good aim you're unlikely to need a quick change. My first time I had a shoulder bag (meant for gas mask... but you see those everyday here now, bags that is) with few mags and... errr... something. Was eventually my downfall when I ran out of ammo in the already-used mag.

As for a gun if you wish - and can - buy it yourself... some cheap China-brands have really good AEGs nowadays, cheapest cost less than a very good gas pistol. Another options are springer pistols and gas pistols, the latter being more expensive to buy and use but of course faster to use.

Posted by: JynX Dec 1 2007, 19:09

hehe, well i do have a lens bag for my camera (drawstring) that could be easilly used to hold mags at belt level.

in regards to guns:

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=CYMA-AEG-CM028U_cat_CYMA%20AEGs
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=DBOY-AEG-3581SD_cat_D-Boy%20AEGs or http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=DBOY-AEG-3581BK_cat_D-Boy%20AEGs the only difference at all being the colouring.

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=JG-AEG-AU1G_cat_Jing%20Gong%20AEGs

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=ANK-AEG-M4S7799_cat_ANK%20AEGs same as the D-Boy M4's in appearance slower muzzle velocity and minus some of the accesories

personally preference is either the AUG or AK at first glances
opinions?

Posted by: Helping Hand Dec 1 2007, 19:48

CYMA's AK is the best out of that lot or maybe the JG AUG.

Posted by: JynX Dec 1 2007, 19:54

thought as much, 'ere don't the bodies have to be 50% of a bright colour as part of the new laws? that is when we get the weapon

Posted by: Helping Hand Dec 1 2007, 20:01

No. At least I don't think so. I think that is for the ones you see in your local off license sort of RIFs.

Posted by: JynX Dec 1 2007, 20:13

hmm dodgy area more research needed i guess, woop nearest place for airsoft to me is over at kirkintiloch aka Kirky, will most definetly propose an airsoft event for my lab class "social"

Posted by: Hornet85 Dec 4 2007, 19:02

Iam now inviting any community airsofter to the bigest and hardest milsim ever!

Operation Red Storm Rising!

Red Strom Rising (RSR) will be a MILSIM from the beginning to the end.

Let me first establish what is a MILSIM.

A Military Simulation is a game that evolves around a military scenario, driven by real world events and real time decisions. Players will be in "the game" at all times when they are in the area of play, there is no game off.

The flow of the MILSIM will be controlled by the Battalion Headquarters and the HQ staff. All orders and actions will follow standard military patterns. Warning orders, Operations Orders and Frag orders will be used. Standard NATO map reading skills will be required. English will be the unit language of use. Orders and chain of command will be real and real-time. The action taken by players during the MILSIM will control the outcome of the MILSIM, individual players and squads will make a difference. Following orders will be important.

Units in the MILSIM will have objectives to accomplish and they may do this at the expense of their opponent, i.e. you play to win. The scenario is not scripted. The objective is to create an environment that will cause players to feel like real soldiers. It will push you to your limits. This MILSIM will follow a pattern similar to the situations faced by troops in Iraq. You will be interacting with a civilian population while fighting the evil bad guys.

Miles casualty cards will be used. If a casualty, you will be evacuated to the aid-station, your miles hit recorded and then you will be returned to your company to reenter the game. Total KIA's and WIA's will have an outcome on the winning of the MILSIM.

This MILSIM operation will be test, a test of your ability to lead and to follow. To see if you can hang with the big dog's. You will face all the challenges of real combat without the blood. Sleep will be as you can get it, weapons maintenance is your responsibility. Caring and looking out for each other in all things will spell victory or defeat. Enemy will be ready. Will you?

http://www.redstormrising.info

/Henric "Hornet" Sandqvist NATO Alpha Company

Posted by: Helping Hand Dec 17 2007, 09:24

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=23734

Why can't these come pre made I think I'll start saving again.

Posted by: BigglesTrevor Dec 18 2007, 12:28

i want this http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=23399

the prices on this site are quite high.

Posted by: Helping Hand Dec 18 2007, 15:44

For that it's about right. IIRC that is an 8mm one not 6mm...

Posted by: JynX Dec 21 2007, 02:26

finally found some sites near me: one about 20mins from where i stay out of town with rental so i'll try and get a few games in there and get my registration done and get myself set up for making it more regular Section 8 Airsoft

also:
anyone recomend a good camo scheme for woodland/open grass land? been recomended Flecktarn by a mate from highschool who showed me the site. will probably by some cargoes a jacket and cheap tac vest or chest rig for the days i get to. If you've got any recomondations id be gratefull to hear em.

Been using http://www.airsoftscotland.com/acatalog/Tac_vests_and_Accessories.html for vests and rigs. Looks cheaper to get the mesh vest there or fidragon crossdraw vest, the SAAV or LA Special Forces load bearing vest.
I've got a surplus store near me so as long as i can get an idea of what camo scheme would be the most ideal i should be fine for getting something.

Posted by: Elliot Carver Jan 1 2008, 22:26

lo buddy

*really should post in here more often me thinks i should* ...

A good camo to go for would be soldier '95 which is why its the most commonly used as well. During the Summer/Autumn months when the ground is yellowish wearing desert camo trousers works alright (shown bellow). Rig wise id go with a South African assault vest. Theres a reason why the SAS use it...its good



Cheers,
Carver

Posted by: JynX Jan 2 2008, 00:54

thanks had a look in my local surplus store and they aint got much other than DPM DPM or DPM, though they do have a special on DPM!

Will look into soldier 95
gun wise once i've got the UKARA stuff sorted will consist of the following:
CYMA CM031 (may have to have power downgraded for Section 8 sites) will be modding this aestheticly at first King Arms OD Tactical kit (full stock) + 2 extra mags from RSOV (not the tac kit). I'll probly pester you lot about later modifications which i'll get professionally done to the internals etc logical start for that is probably as said by most reviews for more adv use rewiring is a good option.

Total from RSOV and Wolf Armouries (exc. P&P) for the tac kit and cyma cm031 + 2mags is about 175GBP

TM Python 6" or similar & another side arm prefferably AEP instead of gas as a backup.

will the SA vest take AK mags you think? I've found some reasonable looking other ones that me mate seems to think are ok and can take AK mags?

extra kit im looking at besides camo and vest are now: leg holster/mag pouches and some new boots the ones i use casually are to weak and my harder ones are waaay to beaten up for any more use lol

all long term planning wont start at the site till i've got the new PC or will be going once a month while i save thus taking longer to get ingame for arma.....
guh, expensive living this...

Posted by: Blackscorpion Jan 2 2008, 15:18

Now how we all get full kits to just basically try out the sport, eh? Says the guy who has an almost completed WWII AB set (well, need webbing and WWII gun), flight suit, few boonies, few combat caps, the gas mask and an assault rifle with AP... and the good old springer Beretta!

SAAV takes 5 AK mags, and 10 STANAG mags (for what it was designed for).

Posted by: JynX Jan 2 2008, 19:54

lol I plan to continue with it, should give me something to do other than sit around the flat on a sunday, can't get the kit till I have done at least 2 games in at least to months and apply for UKARA membership, which for the two games will cost me about 90gbp not including transport (train and taxi) - 15gbp for gun hire if i borrow one of my mates guns.

Thanks for the help on vests btw!

Posted by: Elliot Carver Jan 4 2008, 04:13

No probs dude
Dont forget we all need to take photos and videos to share them here


http://www.groundzerowoodland.com/
13th Jan 08
Woodland Site ( Plan B )
(Walk on..Starts at 10:00)

First game of the year for me

Posted by: JynX Jan 4 2008, 12:05

same Section 8 has a game then too, will see what im like money wise, i've been given an ~ hundred quid head start on the PC savings which will mean less time saving for that more money to spend airsofting. Will talk about borrowing a mates m4 dunno if i can make that game or can afford to atm :S

on a side note http://www.trapperindustries.com/airsoft/page14.html

Posted by: Daithí Jan 8 2008, 21:33

Airsoft has only recently been made legal in Ireland. I have recently got myself a TM AK47

Posted by: JynX Jan 15 2008, 00:49

ok aside from finding this beautiful AEG: http://www.realsword.com.hk/gun_97.htm
i had a look round redwolf airsoft....damnit how many ak modification kits are there, im gonna needa buy a lotta aks

Posted by: Helping Hand Jan 30 2008, 22:14

Anyone got any thoughts / experiences with MadBull products?

I'm re evaluating what to buy with the influx of good Chinese AEGs and the new CA sportlines.

I'm trying to find whether or not http://www.madbullairsoft.com/English/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22_24&products_id=136 Will fit anything other than a TM one? I'm thinking that because It may well be cheaper to add bits than to buy whole as it were...

Help appreciated.

Posted by: JynX Jan 30 2008, 23:21

If the ACM you get is a mauri "clone" as the CM031 is with the exception of the hop-up it should be compatible with TM compatible parts.

Posted by: Helping Hand Jan 30 2008, 23:23

I gathered that If't will fit CA I'm happy.

Posted by: JynX Jan 31 2008, 02:17

believe it might....you did say something like you'd make it iirc

Posted by: Helping Hand Jan 31 2008, 10:35

Well I asked Carver as you saw on MSN so he being the proverbial airsoft Guru / God around here should know today I think.

Posted by: JynX Jan 31 2008, 12:26

good stuff gonna have a a chat with the folks at airsoft scotland about modding the CM031 and costs for them if they were to do it and upgrade internals to boot. once full custom job has been done can rebuild the CM031 and get one of those bison kits for it

Posted by: Helping Hand Jan 31 2008, 12:41

I look forward to finding you on the skirmish field then hehe

Posted by: JynX Jan 31 2008, 12:57

hehe, just did a quick some total cost of my dream airsoft armoury will be in excess of 5000GBP minus battery stuff, bbs, bags/ammo crate (dad can get me hold of one or two) and clothing lol
RS Type 97
Bison custom kit
PKM
TM Colt Python 6"
CM030
CM031 + customised equip
another CM031 to convert to something obscure
SVD with sniper rifle internals and decent scope
wouldnae mind gettin a para version of the AK eiter lol

ah well saving for this pc is bad enough

Posted by: Blackscorpion Jan 31 2008, 18:11

Lets see... ideal kit.

STAR L-115 - about 800 euros plus the gas and BBs
STAR/CA FN FAL - in some form, ~400 euros + mags, batteries, BBs
MP5F - CA B&T one costs rougly 350 euros
2x customised Glocks/M1911s/Berettas - capable of using CO2, atleast 200€/piece
M14 - customized, again (3 versions, atleast: M25, wood M14 and the EBR version); ~500-600€
M1 Garand - 600 euros plus gas
M1A1 Carbine - 600 euros plus gas
Custom-made gas bolties - Kar98K, Lee-Enfield and M/39
Thompson SMG - 300 euros
MP-40 SMG - 400 euros
VFC BAR - CNC (only steel, aluminum and wood), 800 euros
Some nice shotgun (like a Mossberg 590) - atleast 400 euros
PKM - custom made using real parts (seen few), ~1000-1500 euros plus helluva lot of BBs
Kalashnikov "chassis", 300€:
AK-104 - there are few kits and G&G makes one; atleast 500 euros
AK-47/AKM - another 300 euros
AK-74(N) - 400€

And the associated clothing etc.... would be quite ideal. Some people do have about the same.


If I ought to choose a small kit - sniper, rifle, SMG, pistol - not customized... STAR L-115, G&G LR300 or RK-104 (or some other good metal body rifle), CA B&T MP5A4 or A5 (with a flashlight), and some good pistol - preferably Glock or M1911

Posted by: JynX Jan 31 2008, 19:13

trapper industries do one, but it uses Mauri ak internals, dunno what the ideal upgrade would be to get it going on par with its western equivilants

heck if i could id try and get hold of a decommissioned PK and have the internals replaced for Airsoft by a retailer

scrap the SVD tho,

strating kit as stated before is pure CYMA kit:
CM031 (AK74) + 4 extra mags (might grab an extra 2 so the chest rig scorpy suggested gets max usage )
CM030 (Glock 18c)
totaling 90GBP from RSOV.com

so thats one weeks work, next after that would be the KA custom kit for it

Posted by: Blackscorpion Feb 1 2008, 12:11

Ummm... what's your problem with Marui then? They might lack the metal and the power of their non-Japanese equilants, but hell... Especially the Beta Spetznaz is prolly the most durable and also in some extent accurate standard AEG I've read of - people have accidentally backed over few with cars (the one I recall is a Volvo family car + dry, hard sand), dropped them into wet ditches and such... only thing not good are the looks, I guess.

Your starter looks quite neat tho'... if you wanna save even more, drop the pistol maybe?

Posted by: Helping Hand Feb 1 2008, 12:31

Now this is a surprise.

http://airsoft-news.eu/news.php Madbull is making a Kriss.

As for Marui I like some of their stuff like the MP7 and M14 SOCOM.

Posted by: JynX Feb 1 2008, 12:42

Nothing against mauri, but the price don't mind the looks either, the pistol is to grab while i can at the cheap seeing as they dont do the TM Colt Python or KW Barreta GBB

Posted by: Blackscorpion Feb 1 2008, 12:52

Most GBBs consume helluva lot of gas and will not work very well in cold. And TM Python (and, well, most AS revolvers)... well you're just mad.

Now if we could just get the Kriss in AEG form...

Posted by: JynX Feb 1 2008, 14:06

the novelty of it my good man, the novelty!

Posted by: pMASTER Feb 19 2008, 16:47

Just ordered one from G&G for 269 euros:

Posted by: JynX Feb 19 2008, 17:45

nice,
starting kit list for me will be:
CYMA031 C or A/B
KJ Berreta M92 or CYMA030
http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/dpclj1ua.html
OD Combat/BDU trousers
http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk/airsoft/bb/product.asp?page=product&id=P90POODGU

If any one can recommend some where for some good n cheap russian style kit that'd be grand. found a paratrooper rig at a low price but no point gettin it if i cannae get any cammo'd kit to go with it.

Posted by: pMASTER Feb 19 2008, 19:15

Someone told me that the best source for all the Russian stuff was this online shop: http://www.russiancombatgear.com/

But they reside in Canada, I bet that shipping your orders to the UK will cost a pretty nice amount of money.

Posted by: Helping Hand Feb 19 2008, 20:33

IIRC JynX looked there are came to that conclusion already

Posted by: JynX Feb 19 2008, 20:46

shipping isn't bad, just half their categories don't work...

Posted by: Helping Hand Feb 19 2008, 20:51

I noticed that. I thought it was just me, guess not.

Posted by: JynX Feb 20 2008, 01:49

found a way around it and found what i was lookin' for will save the lists till i get a few games in with above mentioned kit.

Posted by: pMASTER Feb 26 2008, 22:38

The very first parts of my new gear have arrived today:

A TM HK USP .40 S&W and a tactical draw holster.

Posted by: pMASTER Mar 14 2008, 15:40

The carrying of an airsoft gun in public in Germany has been made punishable today after the Federal Council confirmed a bill that had already made its way through the Federal Diet. You'll end up with a fine of 10000€ in a case of infraction.

Posted by: Helping Hand Mar 14 2008, 15:42

Sounds like the VCRA only with bigger fines.

Posted by: Blackscorpion Mar 14 2008, 17:38

I doubt carrying firearms or replicas in public without a very good reason is illegal in most places... here you just have to over it. Basically if you wrap it in a shemagh or some other piece of textile and throw it in your backpack, assuming the weapons, especially barrel isn't visible, you can carry it. Or, in the most extreme cases some people just don't care if you cycle through the town with an M4 on your back.

Posted by: pMASTER Mar 14 2008, 17:46

Nope, carrying is regarded as such here. If you are out with any sort of weapon or replica, regardless whether it is covered or not, and they find you, you'll be in trouble then.
They've always forbidden to wear knives and again am aiming at tighter laws for real firearms, too. The most silly part is that their justification for these laws is still a dirtbag called Robert Steinhäuser who murdered 17 people in 2002 with his private, legally owned guns.

Posted by: Jahve Mar 29 2008, 14:56

Kinda dead here, let me revive. Paddles. Charge to 200. CLEAR!

Navy SEAL photoshoot of me and a friend last weekend.

http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seal1hk7.jpg http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seal2lf3.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seal3pg1.jpg

Posted by: JynX Mar 29 2008, 15:24

Hopefully startin' UKARA registration process when my exams are over.
Dead set on an AK, ICS MP5 (SEAL) and as I'll be buying from zeroone a TM M3 Shorty thrown in, am tempted to go for MP5 first but probly cheaper going with an AK, taken to damn long to save up for various things before i've been able to get started

Posted by: Helping Hand Mar 29 2008, 16:40

@Jahve nice loadouts

Posted by: dg Mar 31 2008, 04:58

I bought that well (metal) looking airsoft, is it a good one or is there a new and better one available?

(Its hotlinked, just klick on it to enlarge)

http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=pict0004y0n.jpg

http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=pict00023u3.jpg

Posted by: SaS TrooP Mar 31 2008, 14:31

How much did it cost? I have to buy one, but i am not in community of ASG.

I fought about best weapon ever (in my opinion), G36, best Commando version. Of course ESG, so how much it should cost?

Posted by: Blackscorpion Mar 31 2008, 15:02

ASG? ESG?

Is that a normal CA M15A2 or one of the Sportline ones? In other words, is the receiver assembly aluminum or plastic (should be fairly easy to notice)? The gun itself is pretty good, got the M15A4 Tactical Carbine (Rifle with Carbine barrel) myself. 350 incl. postals, 4 mags, Aimpoint and one battery. Yes, it was used.

SaS, if you want a G36C, the Jing Gong one has got very positive reviews (comparable to a Tokyo Marui one), and it only costs around 90 USD or so.

Posted by: dg Apr 1 2008, 03:34

Normal Classic Army M15A2. The body is aluminium.
I dont know why the people dont like the Classic Army Airsofts.
I like mine very.

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 1 2008, 10:15

Each to their own. I quite like the classic army AEGs with the release of the new HK33K I might of found something that suits me however STAR and VFC also have good offerings.

Posted by: JynX Apr 1 2008, 10:28

I'll be hopefully getting a CA MP5A2 Lighted forearm in the not so distant future in stead of an ICS one (thank you mark and several reviews)

Posted by: Blackscorpion Apr 1 2008, 15:38

CA used to have fairly random quality, to say at least, but seems that their quality control has improved a lot in the past few years. Haven't read about ICS recently - their AKs have received good reviews, though, and a Finnish shop replaced their CAs some years ago with ICS guns.

Posted by: Lordwatson Apr 1 2008, 15:53

I got a TM M16 VN with an upgraded spring. Got midcaps and a South African Assault Vest or SAAV as everyone likes to call them
Fitted a 4x sight to the VN and considering a bipod for a laugh. I will try and get some pics next time I am down.


And thanks for reminding me I can register with the UKARA now I am 18! WOOO!!

Posted by: SaS TrooP Apr 2 2008, 23:36

Guys, I fought about this one:
http://www.airsplat.com/Itemdesc.asp?CartId={795B9F83-E198-4747-B1DC-BEVEREST9DC05CD4179}&ic=ER%2DKWA%2DG36C&eq=&Tp=

What do you think about that?

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 2 2008, 23:48

Personally I'd say go get a Jing Gong one which has a lot of positive feedback to it's name and IIRC cheaper too.

Posted by: Blackscorpion Apr 3 2008, 03:49

It doesn't show me anything...?

Oh, and just a sidenote, fought is one form of fight. You mean thought, derived from think, or are AS guns really that few there?

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 18 2008, 17:30

I just notice on AirSoftnews.eu a Chinasoft SCAR made by Boyi for under €100. I want to see what people think of it as it looks to be quite ok as Chinasoft goes it would save buying a CA, Star or VFC one...

http://airsoft-news.eu/e107_images/newspost_images/boyi_scar_details_1704.jpg

Posted by: Lordwatson Apr 18 2008, 23:14

404z

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 18 2008, 23:21

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4558/boyiscardetails1704ha9.jpg
I'Shacked it.

Posted by: Blackscorpion Apr 19 2008, 02:23

Knowing you, I'd insert couple of Golfs there and tell Charlie et al to feck off, too...

Hmmmh, another SCAR... well, atleast no an M4 (of which few also appear on the site). Can't recall how good Boyi is quality wise, but then again if the externals are fine you can almost build a new AEG inside one without it costing too much.

Personally I have mixed feelings about the SCAR. It's largely an M4 with a modified upper. The package is slim, high and dense - the AS version, too, weights a fair bit, at least the ones with metal body. A hefty package. The stock is nicely adjustable, but some have criticized its durability. The sights are OK, IIRC they equal to the usual sniper AR backups - diopter irons.

Posted by: sgt.Artmann Apr 29 2008, 15:09

Hi guys!
i want to start playng Air Soft ( in Italy is called soft air so sorry if some times i' ll write soft air )
but i am undecided between this models:

1_ Kings Arms FAL short type folding stock aeg (100% metal ,lenght: 920mm, weidht 2930g)

price: 249 Euro

2_SRC XM8 ( 0.99 Joule, mechanics in Metal and body in ABS )

price: 235 Euro

3_SRC M773 ( 1 joule,full metal, 300 rounds magazine)

price: 225 Euro

Ok i ask you what of these rifles I must buy, maybe you expert of soft air can help me.

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 29 2008, 15:15

I'd go for the FAL for personal taste but if your just getting into it have a look at some of the china clones on rsov.com

Posted by: sgt.Artmann Apr 30 2008, 12:41

ok thanks HH

but to be honest with " i wat to start" i was sayng "I want to start playng seriously" 'coz I have also played Air soft with a Chinese M4 Rail interface sistem rifle...
but its very very horrible it fire bb at only 10 meters and its not powrful


So i love the FAL and i think i will buy it, it reminds me the Falkland war and the old Beretta BM59 ( the italian version of the FAL)

Posted by: Blackscorpion Apr 30 2008, 14:01

BM59 has nothing to do with FN FAL, just the designation (FAL, translates to Automatic Battle Rifle or something like that?) is the same. Beretta BM59 is a rechambered, detachable magazine fed M1 Garand... the first ones were just conversions basically.

Posted by: sgt.Artmann Apr 30 2008, 14:10

doh!! you are right...

but i ìt was named like a FAL.

Sorry for my lapsus

Posted by: Dmitri Lukin May 1 2008, 21:58

Lawdy, they've released a lot of new models since I stopped playing after High School.

Posted by: Helping Hand May 3 2008, 10:35

Well the Dboys SCAR has come out priced at a discounted price of £66 instead of £72. http://www.rsov.com/product/0/1734/p_Dboys-FN-SCAR-AEG-BiFNSCAR-tan.html

Posted by: Rellikki May 8 2008, 02:45

Showing off my airsoft equipment:

http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=8508softkz1.jpg

That's Italian 'Vegetata' uniform & boonie, black Shemagh, Bolle X800 Goggles, Mil-tec US jungle boots (not seen on the picture) and the gun: Bell EG714

Posted by: Blackscorpion May 8 2008, 12:07

Relly, I demand a match.

Mark and me Vs You ok?

Posted by: Helping Hand May 8 2008, 15:07

Don't forget Andy too. I can't until August though remember.

Posted by: Blackscorpion May 8 2008, 15:19

And Luke. You come to Finland, I'm sure we'll find people to rent gear.

Posted by: JynX May 8 2008, 16:27

I'll figure out some way of smuggling it across with us...heard the folks had friends with HM Customs...

Posted by: GIJOE94 May 8 2008, 17:55

I was gonna get One of those drum magazines for My AK-47 but it was to expensive at the time. RPK conversions look good though.

Posted by: Lordwatson May 8 2008, 19:22

You can get AK drum mags for FA now I think. All this new chinese stuff is pushing down prices a lot

Posted by: Blackscorpion May 8 2008, 19:29

Yes, but the thing is how well they work... reliable feed is quite a good thing when in a firefight.

Posted by: Rellikki May 9 2008, 04:02

If you pay the traveling expenses.
Here's a better picture I took this morning:

http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=9508softcn5.jpg

Lovely fog. Now you can also see my lovely boots! Well, a bit...

Posted by: JynX May 9 2008, 11:10

very cool lol depending on upcoming finaces i may be gettin a nice new BDU set, me Magnum boots could do with a polish and new laces and get that 2T CA Sportline AR15 to cut out the gunhire costs I'm gonna incur over the summer

coms to about 150ish not including extra mags, belt and drop leg kits i'll be gettin.

Posted by: Dmitri Lukin May 10 2008, 10:39

Turn off your fog and turn up your draw distance

Posted by: Hornet85 Jul 9 2008, 22:50

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Airsoft/29062008157.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Airsoft/29062008156.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Airsoft/29062008154.jpg

not 100% airsoft maybe but i play AS in this to so

Posted by: D@V£ Jul 9 2008, 23:13

Mon Dieu! What is zis? A gun with a hole at the end!

"Sir! Quick! Hornet's finally caught on that his gun can't shoot!"
"Curses! Quick, get him an airsoft gun!"




(It's... a running joke... sorry...)

Posted by: JdB Jul 10 2008, 00:33

Hornet85, posting images of more than 150kb is not allowed anywhere on the forums, please watch the size of the images you post.

Posted by: Hornet85 Jul 17 2008, 15:56

mummel.

Ok some weapon photos. (Can never get to many guns)

Posted by: Helping Hand Jul 17 2008, 16:28

Ooh a family shot

Is that A: a real ACOG, B: a replica ACOG or C: a replica red dot ACOG? the PEQ looks as if it would interfere with the optics sight radius.
Only a few more weeks before I can purchase my stuff

Posted by: Hornet85 Jul 17 2008, 16:35

its A: ACOG TA01, and the Elcan and Aimpoint CompM2 is real to.
Only none real stuf on my guns are the basic gun, RAS, Stocks and every thing that can be changed is the real deal.

And no the PEQ box is not in the way of the sight

Posted by: Rellikki Oct 9 2008, 16:05

I got a Jing Gong MP-5 RAS (JG M5-MC) today.
It's a pretty good gun. Full metal body, not too heavy in weight, shoots fast and accurately... The muzzle velocity is about 420FPS with 0.2g BB's. The RIS-system is a good addition for those who want a little more tactical look for the gun. The only bad side on the gun in my opinion so far is the small size, because I'm used to play with long guns like G3, but I should get used to it aswell. Nevertheless, it's a very good gun!

Posted by: Helping Hand Oct 9 2008, 18:18

As clones go Jing Gong get a lot of praise for their stuff =] Glad that you like it

Got many magazines for it ?

Posted by: Rellikki Oct 9 2008, 18:39

Not yet, I only have the 200 round hi-cap magazine which came in the pack. I'm planning to buy a couple of Marui 50 round magazines to it. I heard that they'd fit well on the JG MP-5 series.

Posted by: Helping Hand Oct 9 2008, 20:32

IIRC It is a TM clone so I don't see why they shouldn't fit in it =]

Posted by: BigglesTrevor Oct 13 2008, 00:35

Going to play airsoft next month with a bunch of guys from work, hooha.

Posted by: Rellikki Oct 17 2008, 10:03

New gear

Posted by: JynX Oct 17 2008, 11:24

Hows the JG MP5 perform? looks like a pretty good piece of kit on the surface.

Posted by: Hornet85 Oct 17 2008, 12:31

The JG MP5 NAVY Full metal is a realy good gun. havent hade any problems at all with mine and its over a year old now.

Posted by: Helping Hand Oct 17 2008, 16:06

You seem to pop up everywhere Military photos, RSOV etc. JG stuff gets a lot of praise from what I've seen.

Posted by: Rellikki Oct 17 2008, 16:10

Yes, it's a really nice gun, as I told a few posts above. Although I have the fixed stock version (JG M5-MC), unlike Hornet85 does, they both should work as good.

Posted by: Helping Hand Oct 17 2008, 18:14

I prefer full stock MP5s over the telescoping ones (in airsoft it means bigger battery space)... but in RL too, I like solid stocks...

I may well have a look at one of those for a project gun sometime in the near future.

Posted by: Hornet85 Oct 17 2008, 19:47

hmm actuly i have a full stock and the other one XD

When you have 25% of on RSOV it helps to get alot of guns




Hey its my job!

Posted by: JynX Dec 22 2008, 09:41

*pokes thread*

Been doing some browsing recently for guns and the aesthetic changes I'll be doing on them.
Currently looking at:
http://www.airsoftarmoury.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=1050

will change this by replacing the stock with:
http://www.airsoftqms.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_58&products_id=579

replacing carry handle with a http://www.airsoftqms.com/product_info.php?cPath=101_64&products_id=563 and G&P Aimpoint Red-dot sight.
will also be getting the Madbull Gemtech HALO Silencer

Landwarrior Airsoft do/did (gotta email them to see if they can and or will do it) this customisation for Dboyi M4's sans suppressor so I'm tempted to go low budget and replicate this customisation, dunno if Dboyi's are my best bet and what their like mag compatibility with the king arms packs. Anyone know much about the quality of DBoyi kit?

Will hopefully get my first game towards Ukara next month with any luck.

Posted by: SaS TrooP Dec 22 2008, 17:09

I got my first AEG!

Its very cheap, so Its not a mastery. But its great for me right now. Take a look:

http://www.taniemilitaria.pl/sklep/product_info.php?cPath=49_34&products_id=35

I will buy new one, better one before holidays (summer one )

Posted by: Hornet85 Dec 28 2008, 15:28

Just a photo of the vest

1st line
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/S4010256.jpg

2nd line
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/S4010258.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/S4010260.jpg

3rd Line
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/S4010262.jpg

Posted by: Benoist Dec 28 2008, 20:03

How many kilos your gear weights?

Posted by: Hornet85 Dec 28 2008, 21:40

24kg with plates

Posted by: JynX Feb 5 2009, 22:51

Well, my 2-3 seconds of Airsoft fame at 3:54 in Scoutthedoggie's latest video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjPjrJTgvi4&feature=channel_page

1 more stamp to go and I'm registered

Posted by: Benoist Feb 6 2009, 03:18

Women doing airsoft... I wanna marry one of those.

EDIT: Mein God! An ELCAN sight? How much does it cost?

And some guys are without the protective mask, isn't obligatory?

Posted by: JynX Feb 6 2009, 03:56

There wasn't an elcan on site that day so don't know where ye seeing it...

Only eye protection is obligatory, if you want to you can go without the full face, I was using a pair of Viper Stealth Goggles as they are called which I'll be replacing with some clear shooting specs for when it gets darker.
Though anyone under the age of 16 (could be 18 can't remember of the top of my head) has to wear full face protection when at Section 8.

Why do people find women airsofting so odd...personally from the women I've met the ones who don't take the chance to shoot guys are the odd ones

Posted by: Benoist Feb 6 2009, 04:38

Sorry, I mean EOTech, don't know why I said ELCAN, I must mess it up because of the sight in the guy with WW2 clothes (which really clash with the other uniforms) rifle.

How many rounds has a magazine that in RL has only 30 rounds?

Posted by: Helping Hand Feb 6 2009, 10:48

They vary between 30 and 300 or more rounds.

Posted by: Hornet85 Feb 6 2009, 12:10

my new rifle from today.

Posted by: Helping Hand Feb 6 2009, 12:19

What is it o_O There are a lot of things that use AI chassis.

Posted by: Hornet85 Feb 6 2009, 12:29

It is a L96a1AWP

Posted by: Helping Hand Feb 6 2009, 12:40

I meant manufacturer you numpty ^^ I know what the rifle is.

Posted by: Hornet85 Feb 6 2009, 12:48

hahahahaha ok iam tired XD
Maruzen APS Typ96

Posted by: Helping Hand Feb 6 2009, 14:22

I thought as much -D

Posted by: JynX Feb 6 2009, 17:11

'tis a nice gun, once I've got my FAMAS, MP5K and MG36 sorted (or in between them) I may invest in a Warrior G22 or JG Bar 10 (had a handle of the G-spec and it's a nice gun to hold and shoot with).

What optics you going to be mounting on it Hornet?

As for the guy in WW2 clothes, in the UK Airsoft is mostly played for fun with a few milsim places so generally you won't be judged for what you wear and use.
Also considering where the rest of the games were played his choice in kit was better as it didn't show up as much as S95 does against pine needles, will probably be investing in some PLA Mountain camo for next winter.

Posted by: Rellikki Feb 6 2009, 17:17

Does anyone have any experiences of King Arms products? I'm interested about the FN FAL of theirs, but I've only heard bad feedback of their products, so I was wondering if it's worth the money.

Posted by: JynX Feb 6 2009, 18:32

Odd, I've heard all round ok things about their kit, with the exception of their mid cap mag sets having feeding issues.

Posted by: Hornet85 Feb 7 2009, 13:27

KA is good sh*t.

Iam going to mount a Bushnell sight to start whit and later shange to a M3

Posted by: Blackscorpion Feb 7 2009, 23:29

Get those firing positions stable... (yes, I do spent most of my time at the firing range nowadays)

Might have to show up there some day. If I can't bring in my M15A4 across the seas, I guess I'll just have to lend something. G36 and M14 should be fine with their AK-like mag releases, and M4s work fine too!

Flecktarns or OD pants and OD sweater... plus a Condor tan fleece cap (same stuff you might see USMC wear in Iraq) and BW gloves... that ought to be fun. Doesn't really work that well here right now, though.

Posted by: JynX Feb 8 2009, 04:43

If you were to hop on a ferry across the North Sea (always a right laugh, French mate of mine did it and everyone in his group was sea sick) you can get it in if your driving or in a bus group.

Flecktarn whilst being fugly (I know PLA Highland camo is just a slight more brown version of flecktarn but only going for that for a future load out) is probably the best all year round camo in Scotland, DPM is the dogs danglies during summer though
Will no doubt don some CCE for the summer/spring months, get a FFL load out going ^^ (Sans Kepi Blanc, falls under the: not to be worn unless you've earnt it rule I've got)

Putting together money for my kit and a trip down south is not fun at all ¬_¬

Posted by: Helping Hand Feb 9 2009, 12:50

Looking at Close to £250 for a semi realistic Fallschirmjäger loadout minus webbing.... DPM on the otherhand about £100... Damnation of the highest jiggly degree.

Posted by: pMASTER Feb 9 2009, 14:27

You guys have got too much money on your hands. You really do.

Posted by: JynX Feb 9 2009, 14:51

Debateable, I'm using pretty much all of my disposable income to do this stuff

Posted by: D@V£ Feb 9 2009, 14:58

Truer words have never been said.

...are you sure you're cut out for this politics jazz? I mean, you'll need to lie. A lot.

Posted by: pMASTER Feb 9 2009, 16:48

Hehehe

Posted by: JynX Feb 10 2009, 16:07

SAAV arived in the post today 2nd hand but for 25 quid I'm not fussed

Just gotta get enough mags to fill it, can take 12 5.56 mags. Then whatever I can cram into the kidney pouches (mostly like a G36 C Mag in each or one C mag + 2 3000rd BB bottles)

Posted by: D@V£ Feb 10 2009, 19:12

You do realise that a brand new SAAV will only cost £28, right? (from Flecktarn.co.uk)

I mean, used it can't be worth more than £10! Either that, or I'm some kind of master traderman! Do I look like a mastertraderman!?

Posted by: JynX Feb 10 2009, 19:27

Yet Flecktarn do have a 10 or so quid delivery charge

Posted by: Hornet85 Feb 15 2009, 20:56

Just showing my MOUT sniper gear.




[img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Canon1000D/IMG_2293.jpg[/img
[img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Canon1000D/IMG_2289.jpg[/img



My helmets
[img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Canon1000D/IMG_2340.jpg[/img

[img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Canon1000D/IMG_2346.jpg[/img
[img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Canon1000D/IMG_2354.jpg[/img

Posted by: deadkilljoy Feb 24 2009, 19:55

He some of my airsoftpics of Operation lion claw here in socal

im the guy coming out of the tunnel






my custom built SR25


my m14 socom just waiting on the real steel walnut stock

Posted by: JynX Mar 2 2009, 23:01

A few rare glimspes of the elusive JynX/ToadBall during games at Section 8 on the 1st
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/Boltrig_Photgraphy/Airsoft/S8%201st%20March%2009/1309086Large.jpg
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/Boltrig_Photgraphy/Airsoft/S8%201st%20March%2009/1309086Large.jpg
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/Boltrig_Photgraphy/Airsoft/S8%201st%20March%2009/1309075Large.jpg

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 3 2009, 18:59

I ve heard of section8
me as a terrorist at op black flag(with a cheap vest and i look more red neck than terrorist )




my team member in green (team LTS)

Posted by: JynX Mar 3 2009, 21:10

Redneck, Terrorist, aren't they all the same over your side of the pond
You'll probably have heard of S8 if you've watch some of Scoutthedoggies videos on youtube.

Will never understand why people pop telescopic sights onto AUGs in airsoft. Granted they do work well but still would somethign with a greater FOV not be better?

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 4 2009, 07:42

i turn my aug into a sniper/dmr i heard of s8 on a socal forum

Posted by: JynX Mar 6 2009, 03:36

meh fair enough, just wouldn't assume they'd have the range for it but considering your over the pond the FPS you can use to boost the range will probably fix that.

Video from last sunday courtesy of Boltrig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1pK7_rLn-0&feature=channel_page

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 6 2009, 05:47

most fields here allow up to 400fps for AEG and 500fps for bolt action sniper
i upgrade my guns to shoot at 370 with a stronger spring, precision inner barrel and a systema magnum motor. Then it blew up a couple of month ago the a replace with a m24 and an sr25:)

Posted by: JynX Mar 6 2009, 16:27

Nice, like the phantom front kit will have to look into getting it when I get round to getting an AUG

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 7 2009, 08:03

ya it was my first AEG Nice gun tho.
Just got my team/airsoft up here with some news of a new m107 AEG

http://leathalspecialtacticssquad.webs.com/index.htm

Posted by: JynX Mar 7 2009, 17:10

Saw that over at redwolf and arnies, looks pretty good but relatively useless for where I play (would count as a semi auto aeg so the limit would be either 350 or 400 can't really remember).
Not much of a sniper m'self though heh

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 7 2009, 17:38

i wish it was cheaper but itbeat being $1,200

Posted by: Hornet85 Mar 7 2009, 20:52

iam geting one. or atleast iam looking in to make a real deactivated M82a3 in to a Airsoft gun

Posted by: JynX Mar 7 2009, 21:02

On which note if some one did a conversion of a de-ac Sa VZ-58 for me I'd love them forever, couldn't do it here due to it being illegal to manufacture an RIF in the UK which is what that'd be

Posted by: Hornet85 Mar 8 2009, 08:22

Real Sword is making one

Posted by: JynX Mar 8 2009, 15:24

Did not see that, will have to have a look around their site

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 20 2009, 19:53

my new m700/m24

Posted by: Hornet85 Mar 22 2009, 10:24

M700 yes M24 no

Nice gun but wy the desert camo?

Posted by: JynX Mar 22 2009, 14:52

Check his other pics, plays mostly in arid and or desert places

As much as I'm against painting guns, if you can find some one good at it i'd get them to do a desert paint job on it as well, black sticks out a little bit against the camo work you've done already.

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 22 2009, 20:04

yes i live a desert area SoCal
im not done camoflauging it im paint desert camo and properaly rewrap it
im getting a utg mk96 next sat
im going to upgrade like what this guy did

who say cant turn a chinese clone into a highend one

Posted by: Helping Hand Mar 22 2009, 20:06

That's not half bad either

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 22 2009, 20:13

its going to cost me $600 to upgraded it to that:P

Posted by: Hornet85 Mar 22 2009, 22:16

thats more then i payed for my gun with the M210 tune kit XD

Orderd a Ghille Suit and weapons paint today

Posted by: Hornet85 Mar 28 2009, 16:01

Posted by: Hornet85 Mar 29 2009, 14:01

Got this today



TM Glock17
G&P Metal slide
Real Steal modified glock17 barrel
5 TM glock17 mags
KA M3 weapon light

Posted by: Helping Hand Mar 29 2009, 18:25

How much?

Posted by: JynX Mar 29 2009, 19:26

Nice, Had a play around with a KSC Glock 17 today, nice pistols with good kick, 'nother guy in the team uses a TM looks like it's got less kick but dunno. Looks pretty sweet with the light on it.

Posted by: Hornet85 Mar 29 2009, 21:16

gave 800kr aka abut 100USD

The TM got a harder kick then the KSC with Green Gas.
but my mags got high flue vents and the gun is fully tuned so its a beast

Posted by: JynX Mar 30 2009, 00:30

hehe nice, as said, not handled the TM just from my mates shooting it'd suggest less kick but could be the fact I only used the KSC in a suicide charge ahead of some of the other guys i was with to retake one of our bases.

Summed up as such:
"'ere, Andy your fast, take this.."
"oooh glock"
"aye, now run..."
"wheeeee..."

Posted by: Benoist Mar 30 2009, 00:39

Oh boy, doing airsoft has to be so fun...

Posted by: JynX Mar 30 2009, 01:15

ellipses would suggest sarcasm, or disappointment at not having done it.

If the later, look up airsoft in your country, the laws on it etc and if there are sites near you. It's really worth going to, best sport I've taken part in aside from windsurfing imo.

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 30 2009, 01:28

pic from yesterday game
me sniping with my SR25

my M4

and my new L96

Posted by: Benoist Mar 30 2009, 01:41

The later, the later. Such a bad concept you have of me?! =(

I searched, we don't have much laws about it, just the "normal" ones (eg. "If you carry a gun replica, don't show it off, be discrete, etc."), the problem is that there isn't any playground in my city (or I haven't found them, yet), just for PaintBall, but it's not the same.

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 31 2009, 09:33

My team is going start an airoft podcast (video) for airsoft gun reviews and about coming ops (anywhere).
Where looking video gun reviews of peoples guns in it stock form (or just the info of stock performance) like military channels top 10 http://military.discovery.com/technology/weapons/rifles.html. For video if you guy are interested send me your video to my teams email LSTS email
Here’s what looking for
Stock Fps rating 1 to 10
Quality rating 1 to 10
ROF rating 1 t0 10
Range rating 1 t0 10
Upgrade rating 1 to 10
And list some upgrades (doesn’t have to be a lot)
Try to keep the vid less than 5 minutes

Posted by: Hornet85 Mar 31 2009, 11:44

wayt a secund? Stock fps? :S thats like driving a none tuned car, you can but its not fun XD

Posted by: deadkilljoy Mar 31 2009, 15:27

u can put upgrade fps next it

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 3 2009, 18:11

hmm we dont tell it in FPS we use MS but you can probebly find out the FPS

CA MP5a4 STOCK: 95ms, TUNED: 125ms
TM MP6SD6 STOCK: 90ms, TUNED: 110ms
A&K M249 STOCK: 120ms, TUNED: 145ms
G&P M4a1 STOCK: 110ms, TUNED: 150ms
L96AW: STOCK: 95ms, TUNED: 230ms
KJW USP Tactical STOCK: 90MS, TUNED: 100ms
TM USP Tactical (Electric) STOCK: 85ms, TUNED: N/A
WE M1911 STOCK: 95ms, TUNED: 105ms
WE High Capa 5.1 Dragon B STOCK: 100ms, TUNED: 125ms
TM Glock17 STOCK: 90ms, TUNED: 115ms
KWC Glock17 STOCK: 90ms, TUNED: N/A


Only guns i own right now XD

Posted by: JynX Apr 3 2009, 18:41

Conversion for metres per second to feet per second is fps = mps x 3.1

Should be getting a TM Famas + 1 hicap before next sunday and an MP5 SD6 + 2 hicas on the 12th total cost including new batteries ajd charger: 352 GBP
Not bad I think. Will have pics of the stuff up when it's all here

Posted by: deadkilljoy Apr 3 2009, 20:16

could u send a short video for our podcast . of your A&K M249 and your L96AW.
eplain a little about it. use the rating system
Stock Fps rating 1 to 10
Quality rating 1 to 10
ROF rating 1 t0 10
Range rating 1 t0 10
Upgrade rating 1 to 10
And list some upgrades (doesn’t have to be a lot)

JynX
when u get your famas can you do the same?

Posted by: JynX Apr 4 2009, 02:13

I can, whether I will is another matter.
You can hardly review a gun thoroughly without owning it and seeing how it goes over a long period of time (read as greater than 6 months)...

There are also a number of things to be said about video reviews/ers...

Posted by: deadkilljoy Apr 4 2009, 05:03

thats ok im up sugestion/tip and or advice
here unother aattemp make wrap for my sniper rifle

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 7 2009, 11:41

Airsoft some times can hurt

[img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Airsoft/IMG_4158.jpg[/img
[img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Airsoft/IMG_4164.jpg[/img
[img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Reppluton/Airsoft/IMG_4176.jpg[/img

Just 3 ppl out to have some fun

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 7 2009, 11:45

Hornet you've been here long enough to know the rules about image sizes, all of those above are well over 150KB. I'm issuing you a 24hr PR to reinforce that message.

Posted by: JynX Apr 15 2009, 16:08

My new toy, MP5 SD, built by hand by a guy I know at Section 8 firing a nice UK friendly ~300 FPS
racked up a few kills including 2 surrender/bang/take your hit kills with it which I'm pretty pleased about.



all metal barring the trigger group and front end.

Posted by: Benoist Apr 15 2009, 16:30

What's with the rusty mag?

And you also had a H&K UMP? Or a P-90? I guess that it's neither but well, I'm to lazy to search it.

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 15 2009, 16:50

No... He's got the SD6 and soon to have or has a FAMAS. It's rusty because it's oooold lol.

Posted by: I44_John Apr 15 2009, 17:46

Good thing you're not a real sniper, that Danish flag might as well have been a sign in fluorescent red saying "Here I am!"

Posted by: JynX Apr 15 2009, 18:21

As Mark said, it's old. Paint has come of and the metal underneath has been tarnished, the mag itself works fine so don't see any problem with it.

I maaay be getting a UMP at some point but not for a long while I don't think, and well the P90, I couldn't be paid to use, it's an ugly thing and the one time I've held it I found it rather cramped.

Currently I have an SD6 and will have a FAMAS by some point this week or next depending on delivery times and some red tape that needs to be dealt with.

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 16 2009, 18:57

Or you cant see the flag on the uniform under the ghillie suit?

Posted by: D@V£ Apr 16 2009, 23:34

But John, Aggressive camouflage doesn't work like that! it breaks up the solid shape into a much larger number of smaller shapes, preventing soldiers from being easily focused on by the human eye, which will pick out anything roughly human shaped with ease.

(Well, the Brain, which is geared up to recognise anything remotely human. Comes with being a social species yasee. Hence the fact that some folk will see "faces" and "people" in ink blot patterns and the like)

So, yeah, the Danish flag might actually be ok, especially if he lies next to a red brick wall, or near a patch of red leaves, or underneath a fox or something. Dutch flag is right out though! That blue isn't fooling anyone

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 17 2009, 10:27

Im allways camping under a fox

Posted by: GIJOE94 Apr 18 2009, 10:32

My Latest update scince last time lol, I had an automatic airsoft MP5K, mp5 and mp5SD, the mp5 and mp5k broke because of a jammiage that couldnt be unjammed, luckily the mp5sd still serves me well, they are all made by the same company (I forgot which 1). I still got the Ak-47 which is regularly serviced and still works fine. I bought a SMK B3 air rifle last summer, which is absolutely brilliant! I saw it had high reviews, generaly 8.1 so I recommend it to anyone whos interested in air rifles. Also I've got a hungarian air rifle, but the spring in the trigger mechanism broke, so I'm trying to fix it. Dont by hungarian air rifles! lol

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 18 2009, 12:37

Air rifles are technically firearms by UK law unlike Airsoft Guns don't mix the two topics :-)

Posted by: GIJOE94 Apr 18 2009, 18:55

Oh ok sorry :-S, also Im now buying a AGM M14 electric, which looks a beauty!

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 18 2009, 23:12

I cant recomend a AGM M14, the plastic is sh*t. get a Cyma one

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 19 2009, 00:02

Was gonna say the CYMA one is the best chinasoft one. Also, Hornet didn't know that you were a moderator at RSOV.

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 19 2009, 00:24

Yeah.

Posted by: JynX Apr 19 2009, 14:14

You'll also find CYMA's are gonna be getting harder to buy first hand since they got raided like other Chinese companies last year before the olympics. The moulds were apparently destroyed.
I've actually never heard anything bad about the AGM '14's from the folk who use them at S8, but to be honest, I'd save for the Marui one.

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 19 2009, 14:22

Still got to get some cash to go out and get my ARA stuff done ¬_¬ With any luck should be on the way to doing it by the time you get here

Posted by: JynX Apr 19 2009, 14:59

*cracks whip* hop to it then lad! You've got 4 or 5 weekends to get a game in before I'm down

Posted by: GIJOE94 Apr 19 2009, 16:17

I'll have to look at the CYMA one, the only bad points i saw/heard about the AGM version, is that the scope rail gets in the way of the iron sights, and the magazine rattles abit, also they said that the ABS plastic was very good quility. I guess I'll have to find out eh!

Posted by: JynX Apr 19 2009, 18:27

Scope rail isn't fixed, it's detachable by a screw so, the scope rail being in the way of the iron sights begs on question: why have it attached when your not actually using it?!

If your going to go cheap and get an ACM one you may as well splash out on a real wood stock.

Edit 20.04.09: FAMAS Arrived today, win.

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 21 2009, 14:57

Nice with the Famas

Got this today


B&T MP5a4
Guarder M120 tune

Posted by: SaS TrooP Apr 21 2009, 15:39

Lads, got a question:
Received today original Bundeswehr flecktarn from de-mobile. I want to keep German flags on it, will it be legal?
I have German citizenship and passport - can I legally move with those flags without paying bail/fine or something for some sh*ts with national symbols you know (in Poland you got court for entering to toilet with flag -.-)

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 21 2009, 16:31

I don't think anyone cares to be fair, the amount of Flecktarn you see in the UK is nuts.

Posted by: SaS TrooP Apr 21 2009, 16:57

Ah - so I wont remove them
Well, Polish still reacts badly when they see German troops, but this is think I dont care.
BTW, you can say that plenty of people got flecktarn. But this is best type ("fleck") camo in the world and its most known versions - i mean Flecktarn, Dansktarn, Jietai and Auscam (Well, plenty of lads not treat Auscam as a fleck type. I treat) and most usable in European conditions. First I thought about buying Multicam, but flecktarn on my continent definately better. Russian Flora or VSR is also interesting - probably on holidays I can try British and Netherlands DPM.

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 21 2009, 17:02

Flecktarn = Dot Pattern. I know

Posted by: deadkilljoy Apr 21 2009, 17:09

AGM m14 dont suck i have one. i compared to a G&G m14 and they preform the same (AGM was little more accurate) the plastic isnt that bad.
my newly sniper rifle

pic from an op last weekend

me make sure my scope is zerod

Posted by: SaS TrooP Apr 21 2009, 17:17

"Fleck" is "dot" in German, same as "splat" and "stain"

Posted by: JynX Apr 21 2009, 17:39

There is no legal issues with wearing national flags or unit badges etc. Some countries may have laws though on impersonating a member of the police force (I know the US does) but I doubt in the case of airsoft it matters.

There are some (myself included) who are against wearing patches that show qualifications etc: i.e Rangers/USMC or a unit badge, Sharpshooter etc if you haven't actually earned them. For example: I'm putting together a French Foriegn legion kit but there is no way I will wear the beret with badge or the legion regiment or qualification patches as I've not gone through the things the real guys have. I'm happy to put the french flag patch on but that's about it.

@Mark: amusingly I see more worn outside of airsoft than in lol probably different down your neck of the woods.

Edit:
Some snaps I took at the last game I was at

Posted by: Helping Hand Apr 21 2009, 18:09

I meant out of the field Too much of it about at college.
Also nice to see the rest of the pics

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 21 2009, 18:12

Just some photo from my helmet cam, from last weekend.
The quality is set down so i wher able to upload it from my mobile internet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhsZauyDbxA

Posted by: Benoist Apr 21 2009, 18:29

Marvelous, both of you.

That FAMAS is quite strange, I remember it more... plain? and big, but I never saw one IRL so...

Posted by: JynX Apr 21 2009, 18:53

The FAMAS is thought of as being a big bulky gun because of it's carry handle, it's actually rather compact, it's about the same length as my SD6 with it's stock out. Really a joy to use as well due to the nice balance it has.

As for it being plain, in comparison to most Armalites it's plain, markings are only found by the mag well, will get some propper profiling pics of the FAMAS when i've got time.
The MP5A5 or A4 and the FAMAS were the first ever guns I saw upclose when I was a nipper. Since then I've loved the FAMAS

Posted by: SaS TrooP Apr 21 2009, 19:00

Yea, I think the same. Buut there is only flag left - no unit signature or previous owner rank.

Posted by: GIJOE94 Apr 21 2009, 21:06

Ok folks! The AGM m14 came today, and I must say for the price it it excelent! The plastic is good quality, doesnt feel like its gonna break, the metal parts are good to. Easy cocking,and it feels good when shot. Its quite powerful (I havnt got the fps reading my cronos broke) and scince the iron sight can be zerod its very accurate too! the lower trigger guard can be removed for easy cleaning which is a plus. The magazine holds a good few bbs and is hi cap to. The only things i dont like is the wobbylness of the magazine and the battery wires, but in all it seems to be a decent weapon! Now i just gotta find some nice camo sprays

Posted by: JynX Apr 23 2009, 02:33

Got bored, so here's a pic of me about 80% kitted up:

Wearing...
Knock of S95 combats + Tshirt (Normally wear issue S95 trousers and shirt combined with kneepads and magnum patrol boots but meh been wearing the knock off's all day)
BULLE Urban Assault Vest with VMS Radio/GPS pouch and VMS Large Utility pouch on the back (headset mic can't be seen but it is there)
King Arms SWAT style half finger gloves
Viper Stealth Goggles
TM Famas + 3 mags (1 loaded 2 in vest)

yay to crappy self portrait skills hair will be going bye bye after uni finishes up and if your wondering why I happen to look tired...it's because I am

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 24 2009, 21:51

My 2 MP5s

Posted by: Benoist Apr 25 2009, 02:56

Airsoft could be a good exercise? An expensive one, but it's a good exercise in the end?

Posted by: deadkilljoy Apr 25 2009, 05:01

yes it can be a good exercise also ill posted up some for this weekends set of ops

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 25 2009, 10:04

Reconnaissance Squadron Denmark (Opklaring Danmark)


Squad Leader School


Snipers Nest


Claymores for close defence


Every Squad have 2 M203


Realistic Playing


The Squadron is made up of
1.OE
2.OE Airborne
3.OE Mobile
Sniper Element

The members of the squadron is 90% active army or air force, all members have to aply and go throw selection to become a member of the team.

Posted by: JynX Apr 25 2009, 14:38

Taking it a bit to seriously but nice anyways lol. Most of the time in Scotland we play themed games with ammo limits or just general skirmishing with no ammo limits etc. with the ocassional milsim or trip down to Stirling Airsoft's caterick site.

As far as exercise goes, it can be if you do it regularly, I'm only out once or twice a month so I've got other things to keep in reasonable shape (Kun gek do drills, weights and running and will be taking up Muay Thai next year).
Will be uping the exercise routines though as I'm planning on doing Stirling Airsoft's SAS Selection weekend next year.

edit: Hornet where do you get your claymores or where did you get them, been looking for some for use in long games but everywhere I look their out of stock.

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 25 2009, 14:50

we have hade most of them for a year now but some times if your lucky you can find dem at WGC, its Gamma GAS Claymores

Posted by: Blackscorpion Apr 27 2009, 20:54

Looking into buying something for the mags and stuff atm. Been looking at few chestrigs/general LBS's at http://www.varusteleka.eu/prebeo/showproductgroups.php?show=113 (click on the other categories on the right for pouches and other types of load bearing systems like the old harness type and vests, namely the OD Condor chestrig modelled after the UK "Northern Ireland" one, the famed SAAV and US Army LBV-E.

Used, I've been looking into some vests for a reasonable price. Bargaining for 3 items atm, all made by Guarder:
1. RACK in Woodland. 4 mag pouches in OD, 'nout else.
2. MOD Commander Vest in Black. AFAIK not modular, atleast not fully, but... has mag pouches for atleast 6 mags, a big utility pocket, pockets for a map or two and few smaller utility pouches. Also could get an OD thigh panel in the same package for just a few euros more.
3. FSBE AAV in OD. Fully modular, designed as the body armor for the USMC FSBE system. 3 Colt mag pouches and an admin pouch.


My gear is currently mostly Flecktarn and OD, coming from mid-Europe... although I will use bits of my WWII kit too, some times.

Posted by: JynX Apr 28 2009, 01:47

The SAAV is a good piece of kit, will be doing a few basic mods tomine to suit my load carrying needs better (replacing some slides with buckles for easier access).

IIRC the Guarder MOD Commander vest is fully modular, though their ranger armour package is a nice deal. My only concern with it is that if you tend to crawl about alot like m'self then you'll find bulky pouches on the front of the vest to be a royal pain in the arse, SAAV is ok in that respect as the larger pouches are situated in line with the arms or behind them.

If you can find a CIRAS type setup I'd snap it up, only reason I've not done so is the two vests I've got do their jobs well enough for my play style (lotsa ammo/mag, pyro and water carrying space without restricting mobility) and there's no sense spending money on extra, need that for guns

If your still using your AR15 scorpy you'll find the SAAV has oodles of ammo space, my Famas mags cut total capacity by half.

Edit: also realised I've been skirmishing for nearly half a year, well 2 more months to go

Posted by: Blackscorpion Apr 28 2009, 12:11

I've crawled to a foxhole in the middle of the night on wet ground, and in 10 inches of snow (prolly more, too) using what's propably the worst LBS in the world... I think I can handle most stuff.

Well, RACK is basically similar to a chestrig base. Has the basic big panel that starts from under the arms and goes across the front. Features a chest panel, too, that can be folded down for a belt-type solution. Open from the back. The FSBE AAV is similar to CIRAS, although I think it's a tad lighter. Not sure though.

Been looking into Strike Systems Super Chestrig, too, and currently trying to find a decently priced http://www.varusteleka.eu/prebeo/showproduct.php?show_product=_2I80J4L3L. Similar to RACK but with built-in mag pouches on the front and a big section for Camelback or something similar in the back.

Posted by: JynX Apr 28 2009, 14:08

I forgot you were in the military lol, I'm looking at getting the Pantac Ciras 150 odd smackers but the write up it got in AI was pretty good and what else other than gats am I gonna spend my money on

Posted by: Hornet85 Apr 28 2009, 15:35

We are using Strike System on active duty so i say Strike is good vests.
Dont go black, black stiks out in the woods.



Left one is Strike System

Posted by: JynX Apr 28 2009, 16:59

Not always, my black vest is yet to give me away

Posted by: Blackscorpion Apr 29 2009, 13:53

Turned my attention into http://militarymorons.com/equipment/2ndline1.html (2nd product from the top) now. Basically the same idea as with the Condor MOLLE Chest Set, mag pouches in the vest bit itself that is, but with a different design - namely, this is a lightweight plate carrier. And more easily available, fits me better, cheaper and all that. Guarder and Pantac both make it and the price is around 65-80 euros, currently looking at the Pantac's take on Wasatch with 4 color options (OD, CB, MultiCam, Khaki) that's sold for 70 euros.

Oh, and... http://remu.1g.fi/kuvat/airsoft/2007+09+30/IMG_6774.JPG

Posted by: Benoist Apr 29 2009, 15:29

Furry combat vest?

Posted by: JynX Apr 29 2009, 23:53

Some people do things for the hell of it, know a guy who's been known to play in a hawian shirt n shorts, S8 also ran a fancy dress night game for Children in Need last year. Could just be for laughs, is pretty damn cool though

Posted by: GIJOE94 May 6 2009, 21:29

Hey guys, i've got some cash burnin a hole in my wallet and I think I know whats it's going to be spent on. But I'm tied between 2 guns at the mo. 1st is the Dboys Kar 98, the bullet ejecting one, or the JG spetsnaz Ak47. Which would you recomend?

Posted by: JynX May 6 2009, 21:53

Depends what your looking for, JG spetz is the gun my local hires out and having used it it's a nice wee gun and well built (managed to survive my 13st. landing on it with no damage, though I don't recommend testing that.) reasonably accurate with a reasonable range for the gun's size.

Kar98 all I can say is that I can't see it being much use from a skirmishing point of view due to the cartridge ejection.

Edit: Also, considering your age, and your location info provided on the forums I'd like to enquire as to how you plan on buying a gun? Considering it is illegal for some one under 18 who is not a bona fide skirmisher to buy/be sold an airsoft gun in the UK...