Guerilla of today Options

[Marxist]

Many ideologies fuel these fighters , but , are they the romantic warrior of the 60s? Or just terrorists?

[D@V£]

Despite what some people based around the west coast of our supersized friends across the atlantic might have you believe, there has never been anything romatic about War, Guerilla Fighters and/or Revolutions... well... hearts get broken... usually in a less metaphorica sense though

Anyways, onto the point, I don't really believe that there is such a thing as "just terrorists". I don't think anyone exists purely to commit acts of terror. Everyone has a cause.

[JdB]

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

[Elliot Carver]

"The word 'Terrorist' these days is just a brand name that is used by people with too much power to scare those who are gullable enough to belive it into doing things they don't actually need to do. Iraq being the prime example. Thanks to this word 'Terrorism' I'm watching my freedom disappear. I now live in a gestapo world where we are encouraged to spy on our neighbors and report on our friends. I am filmed 300 times a day on security cameras that gather data on computer nets on my daily routines. Everything from my number plate down to my DNA makeup is raped from me by biometric machines scrutinized over by scientists and state police. I'm ruled over by a democratic dictatorship controlled by the oil giants. My vote now meaningless and my freedom now gone, i am nothing more than a cash cow lining the pockets of the mega rich. I am destined to die, taxed to death by the same corrupt system that once fathered me. Suddenly the word 'Terrorist' becomes insurmountable..."
Anarchy

[BigglesTrevor]

the Label 'terrorist' is different from its literal meaning. Anyone who fight against the US in unconventional means is a terrorist, but thats simply not true.

[JdB]

the Label 'terrorist' is different from its literal meaning. Anyone who fight against the US in unconventional means is a terrorist, but thats simply not true.

By that means the Americans are themselves terrorists, and the US a rogue state, after all they wanted all foreign influence out of their country during the 18th century "Revolution", or "War of Independance" against the British, but then again those people are called "patriots". Americans have a rather selective memory when it comes to their own history

Ambushing British troops in their own colony is of course totally different from Iraqi insurgents using IEDs and ambushes to kill American "liberators" (not mentioning the foreign fighters though) to free their country from foreign influence.

In the case of Iraq, "War of Terror" seems more appropriate then "War on Terror".

[BigglesTrevor]

By that means the Americans are themselves terrorists, and the US a rogue state, after all they wanted all foreign influence out of their country during the 18th century "Revolution", or "War of Independance" against the British, but then again those people are called "patriots". Americans have a rather selective memory when it comes to their own history

Ambushing British troops in their own colony is of course totally different from Iraqi insurgents using IEDs and ambushes to kill American "liberators" (not mentioning the foreign fighters though) to free their country from foreign influence.

In the case of Iraq, "War of Terror" seems more appropriate then "War on Terror".

yes, without USA bashing, alot of these groups are not interested in chopping peoples heads off. These guys are highly skilled and organised militias. the quicker there respected as an enemy the better we will be able to deal with them (if that is indeed possable at all).

[Marxist]

true , everything has a purpose

[Gunslinger]

now i spent 3 years in the US Marine Corps, and served Over seas. trust me when i say this. I've lost many friends to the war, and the people of Iraq need help (yes I do think it was the fault of my gov.,but hasn't all gov. had there mistakes) .militias are only street thugs no different then the early SS. and taking down Saddam had a positive side. we prevented a 3rd World War. the Iraq under Saddam was the same a Germany under Hitler. Saddam modeled his bath party like the 3rd rich. No the US gov has not come out and say it, but that was one of the causes of the war in Iraq (that and Bush + war = more Power for him) the war is not justifiable, nor is the deaths of my friend, brothers, and countrymen. this war could have been one with out firing a shot. but to call it a War of Terror, shame.
It really dose not mater what is said about the war now, but what history will say about it.
p.s. the war is not just in Iraq, the easiest way to win a war is to not allow anyone to know you are fighting it.


No disrespect to anyone's ideals or thinking but I thought you should here a side not shown on the news.

GunSlinger
the real OG

[BigglesTrevor]

my uncle just came back from Bagdad, one of only about 30-40 brits posted there at a time. He told me over xmas that the US surge had actually had a positive effect, and that the US commander in Bagdad got his job after studying British tactics in Northern Ireland. Anyone know if there is any truth in that or just a drunken relative?

[Elliot Carver]

It was a typical US response to a situation. They were getting owned in Baghdad so they flooded the place with everything they had. The bad guys couldn't move without getting caught so they turned on each other. Where as the British came in with a 3rd of the force and restored peace in a 3rd of the time. As soon as the yanks pull out civil war will erupt in the North and Basra will be overrun by extremists again.
It wouldn't supprise me if the US commander did get his job from studying the British...The US has always looked up to us to clear the path for them to walk.

[JdB]

It wouldn't supprise me if the US commander did get his job from studying the British...The US has always looked up to us to clear the path for them to walk.

It wouldn't surprise me either, as Northern Ireland has proven itself to being one of the few insurgency-type conflicts that the Western powers have managed to "win" along with Oman, Aden, Malaya and Borneo (coincidently(?) all British conflicts). Northern Ireland was a religious conflict just like in Iraq (the British also being the different "tribe" in NI), still the feelings of hatred will never disappear in Northern Ireland, just like they will never be gone in Iraq, they can only be suppressed.

[Elliot Carver]

heh heh wedidn't 'win' Northern Ireland. The IRA went political and negotiated a peace accord which involved them sharing power. The British got their asses kicked out. The "real IRA" are still active and apparently "disarming". Ill take this opportunity to point out that the US funded the IRA for many years against the British like they funded the taleban against the Russians in Afghanistan. It was only after the British raided a vessel heading for Ireland with ex-Soviet tanks on board did funding mysteriously seace.
Actually the religious differences are slowly fading. The newer generations are growing up together and the peace deal is actually working. The differences these days are only played out in the gangs much like the situation between black and white gangs in London.
Northern Ireland went on for decades, were only 5 years into Iraq...

[JdB]

Northern Ireland went on for decades, were only 5 years into Iraq...

See a connection yet? With the "right" government your children's children would still be serving in Iraq since the American approach will never work, in the first place because it keeps getting thought up by Americans on the other side of the planet.

[Gunslinger]

"It was a typical US response to a situation. They were getting owned in Baghdad so they flooded the place with everything they had" really you think that is all we have. Wow We have a lot more then what you think. like i said the war on terror is a global war. I served time in the South Western Hemisphere. That is a real hot bed for Terrorist why do you think the French Foreign Legion is the security for the ESA. the US has had it victory in anti-insurgency, ex: Panama.

[Marxist]

Yes , but Noriega´s second class army didn´t retreat to jungle , did it?

[Elliot Carver]

Wow We have a lot more then what you think

Was a figure of speech buddy. I know what you folks over there have. I was referring to the way the US handled the issue. Instead of seeking means to stop the violence through negotiations and peace they dumped thousands of troops into the capitol and suppressed the problem. The extremists will still be there when the troops leave and the attacks will resume.

why do you think the French Foreign Legion is the security for the ESA

Thats another thing i dont like about the states...they are always getting someone else to do their own dirty work ... Its what dragged the British into another war and what put an extra £50 on my taxes a year!

Wikipedia quotes:
"Guerrilla warfare is the unconventional warfare and combat with which small group combatants use mobile tactics (ambushes, raids, etc.) to combat a larger, less mobile formal army. The guerrilla army uses ambush (draw enemy forces to terrain unsuited to them) and mobility (advantage and surprise) in attacking vulnerable targets in enemy territory."

The USA fits into that in their actions and the wider picture they are involved in perfectly. If your looking for todays modern Guerrilla the finger sits comfortably on them

[Gunslinger]

I agree with you Elliot, but if a democrat is elected to the presidency the war will most likely end soon. (this could be good, but to soon could be bad)


extremists are every were, and in every religion. it is how they show there devotion that defines a terrorist from a saint

[BigglesTrevor]

Thats another thing i dont like about the states...they are always getting someone else to do their own dirty work ... Its what dragged the British into another war and what put an extra £50 on my taxes a year!

Heres my 2 pence, we wernt dragged into the Iraq war by the USA, we agreed to go, and were the second voice after the USA in support of the invasion. Countrys like Italy and Poland have been dragged into it. You can argue that economic constaints meant we had no choice, but at the end of the day our goverment wasnt strong enough (if you view it that way) to say no.

Personally i gladly give £50 extra taxes a year to support the war in iraq/middle east. I would also be willing to pay £100 in tax extra a year if it meant our troops would get improved equipment.

On comparison to Northern Ireland, again the British are leading the way in Afganistan and doing exactly what they should be doing, which there are scrutinised for, SPEAKING TO THE TALIBAN. That is the only way for a future fix.

but thats just my view.

[pMASTER]

The recent debate about Afghanistan is kinda ridicolous, the staged uproar about negotations with the Taliban. Taking into deliberation how long some conflicts in this world have been lasting now, it becomes obvious that they are unsolvable with plain violence, and regardless whether we appreciate that or not, with their radical ideas the Taliban represent a noteable part of the Afghani population, thus negotations with them are simply inevitable.

Unfortunately, the current occurrences suggest that an end of the war in Afghanistan cannot be reached without pacification of Pakistan before. The death of Benazir Bhutto may have awaken another phase of the conflict in Central Asia which could protact the tensions for decades.

That is a real hot bed for Terrorist why do you think the French Foreign Legion is the security for the ESA

Very above all other reasons the FFL is stationed there because French Guyana is a prestigous French Overseas departement worthy protection and furthermore the nation's military access to a tropical environment. Many soldiers from many country come to the South America base of la legion to attend the jungle fighting school there.