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Blackbuck
post Mar 2 2009, 21:53
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Same as the politics thread really, new thread for matters of a military nature because the Politics part of the P&M thread was such a hit it's got it's very own thread now ohnoo.gif

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In this thread members can discuss any new developments in the field of warfare, discuss current and past conflicts etcetera. Please keep it civil, no "What Gun Am B35T etcetera"


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post Mar 4 2009, 05:00
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I shudder to think what conflicts will arise when the economies of the world start to really collapse.


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post Mar 5 2009, 00:12
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On much more intelligent note than Supreme Killer,


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Blackbuck
post Mar 5 2009, 00:17
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What? Was there any need to flame Supr3me KiLL3r. If you can't post anything coherent and nice don't post anything at all. Next infraction gets you a lovely PR and WB combo seeing as this is not the first time you have been punished for flaming other members of the boards.

Also the Rammstein lyric in your signature should be "Mich" not "Mihsck"...


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post Mar 5 2009, 00:58
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Wut? Are you speaking about Supreme Killer or GearofWar?

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post Mar 5 2009, 02:57
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Hardly a military matter Benoist...


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Indeed, I don't know... It seems I read everything wrong. Sorry.
 
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post Mar 5 2009, 04:27
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Anyway.

The point was I wonder where the next war is going to be.

I'm guessing Taiwan.


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post Mar 5 2009, 05:21
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And why is that?
For me is going to spread to another Middle East and East Europe countries searching for Weapons of Mass Destruction. Or a Iran-Coalition War.
The reasons are pretty obvious.
 
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QUOTE(Supr3me KiLL3r @ Mar 5 2009, 04:27) *
Anyway.

The point was I wonder where the next war is going to be.

I'm guessing Taiwan.
No Western nation will be going to war. The American and European economies crumble, riots lay ahead. Nobody can effort a war right now.
I don't see a reason why Chine should invade Taiwan right now. I rather smell a conflict arise between Russia and Ukraine.
The worst case scenario is a war between North Korea and South Korea though. I guess the "beloved leader" has been making so many big words lately because his socialist paradise is laid to waste already and a war wouldn't matter anymore.


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QUOTE(Supr3me KiLL3r @ Mar 5 2009, 04:27) *
Anyway.

The point was I wonder where the next war is going to be.

I'm guessing Taiwan.


China says ready to talk peace with Taiwan

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China Premier Wen Jiabao made a new overture to Taiwan on Thursday, saying Beijing was ready to create the conditions needed to reach a peace agreement with the neighbouring self-ruled island China claims as its own.

China was also willing to hold talks with Taiwan on military issues, Wen said in the text of a speech given to parliament.

Wen's comments -- while not representing a major breakthrough in cross-strait political relations and Beijing's "one-China" principle -- underscore the warming of ties since China-friendly Taiwan President Ma Ying-jeou took office last May.

Any peace pact would benefit both sides, Taiwan's government said, but added that the recession-hit island wanted economic agreements with its massive trade partner before political ones.

"A peace deal has advantages for both sides," said Tony Wang, a spokesman for Ma. "But our thought is first to seek economic deals and political ones later."

China has claimed sovereignty over Taiwan, its one-China policy, since the end of the Chinese civil war in 1949 when defeated Nationalist forces fled to the island. It has vowed to bring the island under mainland rule, by force if necessary.

"Cross-strait relations have embarked on the track of peaceful development," Wen said in the text of his speech, delivered on the first day of China's annual parliament meeting.

"... We will work on the basis of the one-China principle to enhance mutual political trust between the two sides.

"... We are also ready to hold talks on cross-strait political and military issues and create conditions for ending the state of hostility and concluding a peace agreement between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait."

Ma has advocated a peace deal since his election.

Wen's words helped boost Taiwan stock and forex markets, as shares closed up 2.11 percent on the day and the currency, which has declined 6.39 percent against the dollar since the beginning of the year, was up fractionally as of mid-afternoon.

"Not just for Taiwan, but for markets all over the world, this was good news," said Cheng Cheng-mount, an economist at Citigroup in Taipei. "For Taiwan, it's in line with expectations as the Taiwan government has taken this path for a while."

ONCE ON BRINK OF WAR

Tensions have brought China and Taiwan intermittently to the brink of war over the last six decades in what is considered potentially one of the most dangerous flashpoints in Asia.

But building on better ties since Ma took office, the two sides have launched direct daily passenger flights, new shipping routes and postal links.

Wen did not elaborate on talks on political and military issues, but they could include military confidence building, Chinese military vessels making port calls on Taiwan ports and vice versa.

Chinese President Hu Jintao said in December that both sides could have military exchanges.

Beijing was serious about a peace deal, said Lin Chong-pin, a strategic studies professor at Tamkang University in Taiwan.

"I think Beijing means it, and not only Wen Jiabao," Lin said. "Beijing wants to incorporate Taiwan into its influence. It's a comprehensive integration objective."

Taiwan officials say political issues must be shelved at least until 2010 because of anti-China sentiment among the democratic island's population. China's top negotiator faced violent protests during his first visit to Taiwan last year.

Wen's remarks come when Taiwan is increasingly reliant on China amid the global economic slump, which has also sapped trade and investment. China is the island's largest trading partner and their two-way trade is worth more than $130 billion (91.9 billion pound) a year.

Taiwan has been hit by record falls in exports, a historic high jobless rate and prospects of a long recession.

China's parliament is set to approve military spending for 2009 of 480.7 billion yuan (49.6 billion pound), up 14.9 percent on 2008, and a lot of that spending is focussed on Taiwan.

China raised the number of short-range missiles aimed at the island off its coast to about 1,500, Taiwanese officials and experts said last month, a sign of continued distrust despite the warming of ties.


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post Mar 5 2009, 11:13
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This is the "if all else fails, just buy your enemy", right?

So, who do you think is next? Mongolia? Burma? Napal? Vietnam? Laos?! North Korea?!?!

(I hope it's Vietnam or N.Korea... they've been having it coming for a while now... granted, not as much as the Chinese... still... Borders with Thailand and South Korea might be tempting for ol' Wen...)


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post Mar 5 2009, 13:24
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The Chinese do it in the US, too. Ironically, communist China is their biggest creditor. That may explain why nobody did really object against the Chinese course of actions in Tibet.


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The Chinese do it in the US, too. Ironically, communist China is their biggest creditor. That may explain why nobody did really object against the Chinese course of actions in Tibet.


That and nobody wants Tibet to go back to the way it was, it wasn't a free democracy like everyone would make it seem.


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QUOTE(Supr3me KiLL3r @ Mar 5 2009, 18:13) *
That and nobody wants Tibet to go back to the way it was, it wasn't a free democracy like everyone would make it seem.


Taiwan isn't either. In fact, the Kuomintang are Nationalists. Still better off than being under the boot of Red Communist Oppression! ohnoo.gif

But this is no joking matter. While things may not have been perfect under the previous regime, are they any better under Chinese control? Famine, conflict and oppression hardly strike me as preferable to the Feudal system in place beforehand. If the Chinese presence is so desirable why are people leaving in droves (3,000 a year, considering how wrapped up the Chinese have their borders that is a hell of a number) and setting themselves on fire?


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QUOTE(pMASTER @ Mar 5 2009, 06:25) *
No Western nation will be going to war. The American and European economies crumble, riots lay ahead. Nobody can effort a war right now.
I don't see a reason why Chine should invade Taiwan right now. I rather smell a conflict arise between Russia and Ukraine.
The worst case scenario is a war between North Korea and South Korea though. I guess the "beloved leader" has been making so many big words lately because his socialist paradise is laid to waste already and a war wouldn't matter anymore.


I agree with your first point. Westerns countries will be to busy ripping themselves apart before any major international conflicy may start. It all depends on the extent of this recession however, its all doom and gloom now and for the forseeable future, but for big political and/or military swings its going to take a many few years yet. Who knows what the recession is going to do, could last years and years, could be history by next spring (unlikely).

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NATO is stil aiming for just keeping control in the mitle east.
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http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-57515.html

(Clip about Germans approaching Kosovo in June '99)

This video is in German unfortunately, but there are some good scenes in it.

The best moment is at 07:20 where then commander of the approaching KFOR forces, Brigadier General Helmut Harff, arrives at a village where some Serbian officers refuse to leave their posts. After short negotations they demand six hours for their withdrawal.
Harff answered: "That's impossible. I give you thirty minutes", but the Serbs still refused to leave and played for time.
"You can get all your papers in Prizren. You have to leave this place in thirty minutes. That's an order. Period.", the general replied.
Another time the serbian commander tried to cut him off.
"Now it's 11 o'clock sharp. Time is running out. You've got 28 minutes left. End of discussion."

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Anyone knows a page or a book with good info about the 1st AVG in China?

I'm trying to make a dinamic campaing for IL-2, but I didn't find too much info about the operations, planes, etc.
 
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Anyone knows a page or a book with good info about the 1st AVG in China?

I'm trying to make a dinamic campaing for IL-2, but I didn't find too much info about the operations, planes, etc.
I own one! stupid.gif I'm not sure if they still sell it though. Time Life Books brought it out in the eighties. It's part of a series on the history of aviation and called "The soldiers of fortune".

//edit: eBay has got it. Be quick about it.


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