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BigglesTrevor
post May 23 2007, 12:51
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Personally im starting to become a little cheesed off.

Watching the vidios of the new features VBS2 will contain blows my mind. To put it simply there awsome. Real-Time editing, Veicle interaction and advanced ai amongst other features promise to deliver a soldier sim far in advance to ArmA. Aswell as being mouth watering for "game2" it has also slightly annoyed me. Why should we, the paying customer who gave BI the cash flow in order to produce the original VBS, be relegated below military contracts. To me ArmA is starting to feel just like a big BETA test for VBS2, letting the paying customer play a, lets face it, unpolished game. This is apperent with the many features promised left out, huge differences between different published releases and even half made fearures such as the Javelin Missle launcher. I, and perhaps others, am begining to feel alienated by BI, distinctly rejected in favour of the worlds military, who at best see VBS as a niche training method, where as we, the ArmA/OFP community see it as a untouchable forbidden fruit.


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post May 24 2007, 21:13
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What they are saying is, they released ARMA as a half assed game to fund it more for VBS2.
 
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post May 24 2007, 21:16
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Lo buddy smile.gif

Hows you? Hope all is dudy your end. Your probably right. ArmA is a big beta test for VBS2. Ofp was basically a big beta test for VBS1. Bohemia are very clever in flogging the beta test to the market getting the hundreds of thousands of us to test it for them whilst making millions. Then they can sit back and patch the two programs at the same time. I expect we will get VBS2 as Game2 with a new graphics package, re-written engine and VBS3 tests. We are just Bohemias beta testers for their main product. Its not your normal user company realtionship but then Bohemia isnt a normal company smile.gif

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post Jun 6 2007, 14:57
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How much did you pay for ArmA?

How much does VBS2 cost?

Exactly...what, you expect to get all the things an expensive military simulator has for your £30? Get real.

Besides, ArmA and VBS were developed by two seperate companies: BIS and BIA. There is no conspiracy. BI as a whole are obliged to give us nothing. Be grateful that you have what you have.
 
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post Jun 6 2007, 16:37
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post Jun 6 2007, 16:38
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Lo dude,
Erm im real enough thanks lol.
Yes ArmA has less in it than VBS. Mostly becuase VBS is their flagship product. Military isnt going to spend $500 a pop on VBS if they can get the same for 30 with ArmA happy.gif
BI made em all just with ofp they had Codemasters as a publisher.. http://www.bistudio.com/ conspiracy doesnt come into it anywere.
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post Jun 6 2007, 17:16
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QUOTE(ChrisVCB @ Jun 6 2007, 14:57) *
How much did you pay for ArmA?

How much does VBS2 cost?

Exactly...what, you expect to get all the things an expensive military simulator has for your £30? Get real.

Besides, ArmA and VBS were developed by two seperate companies: BIS and BIA. There is no conspiracy. BI as a whole are obliged to give us nothing. Be grateful that you have what you have.


Then we'd be better off polishing OFP or making our own game.


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post Jun 8 2007, 00:40
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yes, if we all took this attitude then i dread to think how buggy arma would still be. Frankly im still not overly impressed. Arma is a great platform to build off, but why shouldnt we, the dedicated fans, get some of these awsome new features at the same time as the military's. + BIS and BIA are pretty much the same thing. They use the same staff, the same offices, the same PC's.


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post Jun 8 2007, 06:35
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ArmA cannot be used for commercial use however, so it cannot be used for dedicated military training. And I own VBS1, I can honestly say while its pretty, OFP has the greater potential and graphics have surpassed VBS in many regards with later addons and mods released. Its probable ArmA will also do this.

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post Jun 8 2007, 14:59
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QUOTE(BigglesTrevor @ Jun 8 2007, 00:40) *
yes, if we all took this attitude then i dread to think how buggy arma would still be. Frankly im still not overly impressed. Arma is a great platform to build off, but why shouldnt we, the dedicated fans, get some of these awsome new features at the same time as the military's. + BIS and BIA are pretty much the same thing. They use the same staff, the same offices, the same PC's.


Errr. No. They don't.

Sorry, but your obvious ignorance, when combined with your determination to be correct, strips your argument of all credibility.
 
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post Jun 8 2007, 15:16
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Dude, your new on the boards. First you dig up an old thread then you start insulting its members. This isnt the BIForums, we have discussions here. If were wrong we politely correct one another, not talk of their "obvious ignorance". If you want to fit in around here then wise up and loose the attitude!
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post Jun 8 2007, 16:25
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Oh dear.

1) So what if i'm new on your boards, 'dude'? The only thing that proves is *your* attitude towards non regs around here. Which to be quite honest you might want to 'wise up' and 'lose'.

2) It's not an old thread.

3) That he doesnt even know that the companies involved are based in two different continents (ie, they don't use the same office, PCs or Staff) strips his argument that BIA and BIS are one and the same of complete credibility. Thats not an insult. It's a statement of fact; he is obviously ignorant. This is without going into any further depth.

4) I really don't give a flying monkeys about fitting in here, and you're arrogant to think i would. As for my attitude, i've earnt the right to have it, and i'm not going to drop it.

As far as i know, we were on topic?
 
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Well, you're arguement is right Chris, you should probabley not have put it in such an aggressive manner (although, to be fair, I agree with all your points).

As for you Biggles! If BIS and BIA use the same computers, then they must be bloody big computers to be used in the Czech Republic and Austrialia, right? They're pretty much on the opposite side of the world to each other.

And then yourself, Carver, I know that time is relative and all that, but, a time difference of 11 hours hardley makes something "old". Does it?

Anyway, enough of this ranting. You can hardley say that VBS2 and ArmA are comparable. They aren't. Sure, VBS1 might have some of these fancy new features that haven't yet made it in ArmA (but, they'll probabley be patched in, won't they?), but let's consider the things ArmA has, that VBS2 won't:

-Campaigns (ArmA has a storyline, from what I've heard of VBS1 it's just a big collection of missions)
-Affordable price (or, at least, for most people, I dont' know how many people spent £400+ on VBS1 and all the additions. They weren't cheap!)
-MP (let's face it, if you do manage to get your hands on a copy of VBS2, there won't be many servers, and if there are they'll probabley be run by various military institutions)
-This great community!!! (Yeah, try finding one like it for VBS1/2... £200 says you can't)
-This very arguement.


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post Jun 8 2007, 20:04
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QUOTE(D@V£ @ Jun 8 2007, 16:59) *
-Campaigns (ArmA has a storyline, from what I've heard of VBS1 it's just a big collection of missions)
-Affordable price (or, at least, for most people, I dont' know how many people spent £400+ on VBS1 and all the additions. They weren't cheap!)
-MP (let's face it, if you do manage to get your hands on a copy of VBS2, there won't be many servers, and if there are they'll probabley be run by various military institutions)
-This great community!!! (Yeah, try finding one like it for VBS1/2... £200 says you can't)
-This very arguement.


ok point made on BIS i made a mistake. However the communication between the two is probably very strong.

Im not arguing i want VBS2, far from it, i want some of the features in VBS2 i feel we deserve. I want the real time editing and other features in this great ArmA community. Yes @ Wittman the community can do a hell of a job with ArmA, but BIS shouldnt just rely on it for new ArmA features.

and also at chris, what gives you the right to have a bad attitude?


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post Jun 8 2007, 20:45
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Bad attitude = me telling you you're wrong?

And you are wrong.
 
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post Jun 8 2007, 23:56
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QUOTE(ChrisVCB @ Jun 8 2007, 20:45) *
Bad attitude = me telling you you're wrong?

And you are wrong.


well thats just arrogence and i have no time for that. good day


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post Jun 9 2007, 14:49
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24hr PR for flaming issued to ChrisVCB.

As for not wanting to fit in, well, enjoy your most likely short lived stay. You get along in this community or you get out.

Now back on topic.


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Pray tell, what makes you think you deserve anything from VBS2? Your £30 went to BIS, not BIA.
 
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just to be really realists: we will never see VBS2 features implemented in ArmA.


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Lo folks,

Ill start with an apology to all. Was a bad day and my rant was out of char. I kneel with my fingers interlaced behind my head to that one - My bad - @ChrisVCB: I hope we iron things out and have fun, which is what were all here to do ^^. Its too nice outside to be ranting smile.gif

Ontopic:
* If the VBS 2 engine is the same as we have in ArmA with even more platers on it ** could we not implement our own features of VBS2?

* Without breaking rule 2.1 ref reverse engineering
** Trying to word it correctly as not to break VBS info rules 2.11

Also i think that wittmanns FIRST comment was spot on ^^

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