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It always strikes me you never really discuss/rebut with your own opinion on anything in this topic, but do pick on other opinions with one-liners. Usually people who want to be taken seriously come up with something better, but than again this is the internet.
Like not carlessly grouping left politicians and terrorists. Oh wait that was you not me! me and my memory. Maybe i screen people who deserve proper debate, maybe i dont, who knows.
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to protect it even against itself and it's delusional hippie mindset
Well far be it from me to add one liners, but these is just complete garbage. And no its not a 'leftie calling every argumant rubbish', becuase in many debates with D@ve i have highlighted the fact that i am not left, but a liberal. No this is prime oscar winning garbage. If it was not for 'hippie mindsets' i dont care to think how the modern world would look like, but i would probably get my vote free wife to tell my imprisoned gay african slaves fighting a pointless war in Vietnam to work on it. Now if there was only some rolling rock music and some sort of herb i could roll up and smoke to relax me while i wait for the results..... (theres a pun there if ya didnt notice.)
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Its also interesting how people are quite happy to use the Second World War as a standing point of 'were destroying what they fought for' or , 'people have forgotten' to in some way to justify there political opinion. Lets get one thing straight for starters, not everyone in the war got what they were fighting for. Take the Poland that we know today for example, fighting and loosing thousands of soldiers for the dream of Polish freedom in North Africa and Italy, somthing they would not secure till 1989. A Poland some would never see or visit despite living for decades after the war. But it runs deeper than that,
What exactly were people fighting for in the war?
Not every soldier had the same political agenda as each other, thats the whole point. There was British officers with some pretty right wing agendas and some Liverpudlian soldiers with some pretty left wing agendas - including outright communists and the such. It was about the conversion of these two traditional divides in society against the common enemys. Its impossable to pinpoint a set of values that people fought to preserve in the war, simply becuase so many people fought for so many different reasons. And this is not only between the different nations, but between different people in those nations. A fact than many seem quite happy to disregard in the purpose of pushing there own views. As so, its impossable to pinpoint a set of common values following the war, on a national level aswell as international or indeed global. I mean theres obviosuly a set of common guidelines, but there pretty open to interpretation as far as idelogy goes.
Just look at the UK, following the war a goverment led by Attlee beat the great war hero Churchill! This is an Attlee goverment which by any standards had some pretty radical ideas and reforms. These changes in welfare, social security and nationalisation of key industries are pretty left wing ideals, whatever spin you want to attach to them there essentially socialist reforms. This for me shows that people fought not only to maintain what they had, but also to change what they had. I find it hard to believe the British public were held hostage by a goverment who won in a landslide until the arrival of there saviour Thatcherism. It ulitmatly proves my point, it comes full circle, Attlee fought in the great war to preserve his principles that he would then bring to the nation in 1945. There are plenty of other examples available, Italy springs to mind.
But do people use this to justify there opinion on socialists reforms today? Generally No. Because it is an unrealistic argumant, just as it is for anyone else to use any sort of similar argumant. There were almost certinly many people who fought in the War who shared a similar - or even exact politicaly opinion as Jdb, as Benoist, as Me, as H_H, as Jynx, as Pmaster, as blackscorpion, as Ivan the raving communist and even perhaps D@ve.
It is my view that to attempt to disregard or even disprove somone elses view with such a line of argumant is not only unfounded, uninformed and simply wrong, but also a pretty well constucted contradiction when put in place on either side of the political spectrum.
(and im sorry about the spelling but not everyone is good at everything, i do proof read when i wright large bodies, of which i admit somtimes i dont for smaller posts, but how do you spot a mistake when you dont know it is one!)