I think you missed my point. Both the Israeli and Palestinian claim to Gaza pretty much boils down to some apparent Holiness of the land.

When you actually consider what the quality of this land is, I think I'm pretty justified to say "Holy Schmoly". Why else do you think we gave it to them for free?

Hamas wants it so they can fire rockets into Israel, and Israel wants it to stop them from doing just that. That's all there is in this issue.

How does you last post elude to that in any sort of way? We didnt exactly give it to them for free either, many people lost there lives and Britain passed the problem of the region to the UN.

A program i am following, maybe others will be interested too.

Pakistans War
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/ge...1123302404.html

Looks interesting, can't get Al Jazeera at the flat but the parents have it through Sky so will have to settle for what they've posted on the site.

IDF advances into Gaza City !



Here's a live stream from gaza city :
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=...00%20-%202k%20-

War as a live show...I still remember how Iraqi freedom began. We sat at the kitchen table and watched TV how the first bombs fell on Baghdad. It almost looked beautiful, you could totally forget that people were dying.

Collateral damage, pMASTER, collateral damage...

And collateral is okay? I think not.

How's that a reply to what I've said?

They're no people, that's what I mean.

Huh? No or not people wth?

If it hadn't been for your lacking English skills, I don't doubt in any way that you would already have received a notice to not post nazi ideology ever again, especially seeing as you are a representative of this site...

If you meant "no", then you are right, as they are not a recognized country, ethnic group or geographically bound entity, who should be happy with whatever part of the Middle-East they get to live in.

You mean it appears so to people who're watching the tube or what?

Argh, you are not understanding (and I'm not explaying properly ).

I'm saying that the media and 12 year old kids don't consider them as people but as news or "lol terrorist", that's what I'm saying.
Nobody cares for them, may be now because Israel is showed as the bad guy (this time), just for that.


EDIT: In a few words, I was being ironic, unsuccessfully.

Wow, never thought I'd be listening to the sounds of a live war on my PC..

Some kind of prop-driven aircraft is overhead at the moment and sporadic explosions can be heard

Our Foreign Minister was in Rafah yesterday when a missile hit a building no 200 metres away from him. He remained pretty cool.
This pictures made their way to all German TVs. Sad thing is the bastard is running for chancellorship.

*Writes down on to-do list*

"Buy even more accurate new GPS modules and targeting pods from US"

On the other hand, that would have made the left even more popular...martyr. Anno 2009 the political left and islamic extremism is pretty much the same thing.

Ironically the long era of peace we have enjoyed has caused our pacifist attitude. We haven't had to fight for our freedom and way of live for so long that we have forgotten that it is sometimes needed, and that words (like that of 1918-1939 & 1945-2001) do not always work. Both preceding periods should have taught people that, but people without worries easily get complacent. I mean, I can already see it now, France to use the UN (League of Nations) to ask mister Hitler to please stop his genocidal plans against the Jews, because otherwise the UN (League of Nations) will send a pretty belittling letter about him, and call for condemning Germany, but not whole of Germany, only the "few rotten apples" as a "naughty country". That will surely impress him much more than a few million Russians storming his bunker while Germany is massive air armadas flatten any chance of continued conflict (not saying that the carpet bombing was the right thing to do though)...

Proof that history is indeed forgotten within the lifetime of one generation...but than again who cares about history, it's not like we have any use for it, like learning from it, we're living today, not yesterday...at least until some ayatollah acquires the WMD to wipe out the city that you happen to be living in. Only then will some people realize their mistake, while most of the left happily surrenders and converts to Islam as the spineless critters that they are. Bad sh*t needs to happen before people see things/people the way they really are.

Slavery
Fall Gelb (trying to appease a megalomaniac warmonger...)
Pearl Harbor
Holocaust
9-11
Iraq (both what Saddam did, and Bush)
7-7
Forced prostitution
Sharia?

The quote in your signature couldn't be closer to the truth. The sad part is we're smiling at the Americans for phrases like this one but our politicians take the same oath.
"I swear that I will faithfully serve the Federal Republic of Germany and protect the rights and the freedom of the German people so help me God", that's what they vow. In reality I can't see much of that and nobody does mind. German citizens become abducted at world's end and the government says "Why did they travel there at all?". The media and the electorate shrug with their shoulders and everybody moves on.

By allowing Apartheid through Sharia courts (UK, Germany already). Didn't know Apartheid was the new Freedom

Better to be a Kingdom anyway, sure the costs for the monarchy are higher, but if things go bed, you can always revoke the constitution with the help of the armed forces and have the leftist politicians shot hanged along with their extremist friends.

Another funny development:

From our colonial days we still have some small overseas territories left over in the Caribbean. Inhabited by people who are too lazy to make something of their lives, are corrupt as hell etc, who take the first chance they get to live here off of welfare benefits. They have a collective debt of 1.7 billion Euros, which the government is going to pay off for them. Now you might expect that they accept our advice, and adjust their government agencies to our standards and procedures as would be the most sane thing to do.

Of course not, they want the money without any involvement from us ("K Tnx Bye!"), which knowing the amount of corruption there will end up in the wrong pockets. They call us colonialists and nazis (by wearing yellow Jewish stars as those of the nazis at protest rallies). A politician of a right wing party (the party of Geert Wilders) complained about this whole affair, and was upon arrival at the local parliament building as part of an official parliament committee threatened by government officials (to the likes of "I want to beat you into a bloody pulp"). Of course the government downplays this and is happy to give them the money no questions asked out of "guilt" for our slavetrading past. Did I trade slaves? Did you? No, so it's history, and we learned from history not to trade slaves because it's bad (we have the Poles for that ). Chavez claims these islands, so I say we let him have them in exchange for some oil shipments, then those lazy f*ckers will learn what some less generous governments are capable of. Take our hands off of them and watch them descend into poverty and squaller even further if Chavez hasn't invaded the island by then (which would be likely, with our forces gone leaving the island completely undefended). Dunno why he wants those islands anyway, they cost us more than they are worth, probably just to show the world that he beat an ally of the US.

Either that or we send the Marines on a naval flotilla and police to sort out the mess (to prevent a UN (in)Security Council resolution condemning our actions, we'll offer the US government/CIA one of the islands to build the new Guantanamo on). When everyone that has broken even one tiny law is in the newly built mega-jail (300.000-ish inhabitants in total), we'll build tourist accommodations (luxury spas, diving schools, hotels and casinos, as well as weed plantations (grows there without artificial light and climate control)) to finally make some money off of those islands (first time in about 150 years since slavery was made illegal). They'll never know what hit them...

Former islands for slave trading ... weed plantations, how ironic. Not like we we're anywhere near the biggest slave traders though, that "honour" still belongs to the "peace loving, humanity respecting" Arabs/Muslims. If you can get the Dutch, English and Spanish, the greatest maritime competitors of the time to stop fighting each other, and team up to fight you, you must be doing something that just isn't right...

I'll stop writing now, because otherwise I could write an entire book here (over several posts, as the maximum number of characters in a post is probably 10.000, 10.240 or 100.000)...To be continued...unfortunately...

I'll more than glad if you keep writing.

What a fine and mighty way to preserve democracy. No that sounds like Fascism to me, eradicate violantly with whoever dosnt conform to your idea of political idiology. The right is as dangerous as these 'leftie terrorists' which people wish to make a Pendle of.





not you, so it would seem. Seeing as your history of trade route conflict is distorted with some unknown Islamic involvement.

These parties/organizations do not care for our (perhaps the wrong word) democratic values and ideas, and should be gotten rid of in a worst case scenario, just as every traitor and deserter is to be shot. That this punishment is no longer carried out for treason or desertion during wartime (the Islamic extremists which, I don't know when you've last checked, we are at war with) in Western countries is yet another example of how we take our way of life for granted.

The armed forces exist to protect the country and it's people, to protect it even against itself and it's delusional hippie mindset. You cannot reason with extremists that draw breath for no other purpose than to destroy your way of life, or the people that collaborate with them (you know, like the collaborators that you rightly had hanged during/after WW2), therefore you destroy (I would say "imprison", but the prison terms in most Western countries are a joke, IF they actually manage to convict someone despite a plethora of evidence, which is cause for much outrage in the Netherlands, with much of the country for tougher sentencing, with the politicians being the main obstacle, and I believe the same is more or less true for Germany) them wherever you find them. If you take up arms against us, or aid those that take up arms against us, we will take you out. Perfectly reasonable. I'm not talking about genocide, only targeted actions against people with sufficient information to act on (/evidence), only to protect democracy from people that commit acts of terrorism, attempt to install a secular regime, plan to forcibly convert people to a medieval religion and enforce values to match, and the people that aid them by killing them, which last time I checked we were already doing in Afghanistan and other places in the "War on Terror".

If you plan a terrorist attack in England and come up against some kind of law enforcement officer (armed police, CT unit etc), they have the right to shoot you unless you fully comply, since you are a hazard to the integrity of the state. If you are a national of this (i.e. England) country, and aid the (would be) terrorists in their plot, it is my humble opinion that person should be put to death for treason (if only to set an example, and make sure they can never repeat their acts (the only two really good purposes of the death sentence, which is why I am only advocating it's use in treason related cases, although the same could be true for serial killers)).

I'm also not trying to tell other cultures how to live their lives, they stick to whatever it is that they do, and they let us do whatever it is we want to do on our little piece of Earth (with such exceptions as 9-11, which necessitated the presence in Afghanistan).

It always strikes me you never really discuss/rebut with your own opinion on anything in this topic, but do pick on other opinions with one-liners. Usually people who want to be taken seriously come up with something better, but than again this is the internet. Also it would seem that your one-liners are restricted to me, where as for example pMASTER also posts some pretty spicy things about immigration and religion with his opinion mixed in. Did I mess up your account, or moderate you in a way that displeased you at some point? (you've had some difficulty in the past differentiating seriousness from a pun, so I will help you by saying this was a pun)

Edit: fixed some typos in your quote

I think that he was being Sarcastical in the last one.

We should bring back hanging... to hell with being civilized!

Right now we're living in a culture where criminals have far too many rights. Prison is supposed to serve as a punishment, but the quality of life there is better than most people have. And this in turn causes criminals who leave to repeat offend. This has led to massive overcrowding in our prisions.

The simple solution?

Hang 'em.

Sends out a clear message and removes the problem.



(Still... I am a tad extreme on crime I suppose... I'm all for a proper war on knife crime! See how far that pigsticker gets'ya then!)

Combine JdB's post and D@VE's and you'd have a more eloquently put version of my opinion.

As for the Hanging. Good idea, but a slightly more entertaining way: stick them on a boat, no food, no water and one bomb and send of the northern coast of Scotland, quicker, cheaper and provides jobs in the ship building industry and in the northern parts of the country, much needed in today's economic climate.

I'd say that's a serious opinion, but when you consider the "human rights" implications I'm just gonna withdraw the statement

Doesn't send out the same message. People can hear about prisoners being executed and all that. But when it comes down to it, if the corpse of someone you knew was in the middle of town, you'd think twice before trying anything you shouldn't.

As for Human Rights... these people don't give a damn about them. If they cared so much about the right to life they wouldn't murder people, would they?

True, though the mutilated remains of said person is far more effective than a relatively intact corpse. Compromise: Hang Draw and Quarter ala that twat Wallace

I'd love to go for the rope if civilization means the shape of things to come. Over here they released Christian Klar recently, the boss of the former Red Army Faction terrorist group. He viciously killed nine people, never expressed regret, didn't even help the police to investigate the R.A.F. crimes. A coldhearted and worthless piece of shit who now gets tens of thousands of tax payer euros to become "integrated" into society again.

In 1982, he was sentenced to a fivefold life sentence plus 26 years. A year later, they ruled that every criminal regardless of their crimes must have the chance on "social rehabilitation". An ordinary life sentence now is 15 years.

That's civilization? Absolutely awesome.

It's matter of time.
In the same way that now everything is f*cked up if you apply this tipe of goverment in a few years it's going to became a tirany. Not only because people can be corrupted, also because they'll forget about why they implemented that system.

The next generation (if not this one) will forget about both World Wars, Nazism, Communism and plenty of other mistakes that we shouldn't do again, but will are doomed to repeat them.



EDIT: Spelling.

Like not carlessly grouping left politicians and terrorists. Oh wait that was you not me! me and my memory. Maybe i screen people who deserve proper debate, maybe i dont, who knows.



Well far be it from me to add one liners, but these is just complete garbage. And no its not a 'leftie calling every argumant rubbish', becuase in many debates with D@ve i have highlighted the fact that i am not left, but a liberal. No this is prime oscar winning garbage. If it was not for 'hippie mindsets' i dont care to think how the modern world would look like, but i would probably get my vote free wife to tell my imprisoned gay african slaves fighting a pointless war in Vietnam to work on it. Now if there was only some rolling rock music and some sort of herb i could roll up and smoke to relax me while i wait for the results..... (theres a pun there if ya didnt notice.)

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Its also interesting how people are quite happy to use the Second World War as a standing point of 'were destroying what they fought for' or , 'people have forgotten' to in some way to justify there political opinion. Lets get one thing straight for starters, not everyone in the war got what they were fighting for. Take the Poland that we know today for example, fighting and loosing thousands of soldiers for the dream of Polish freedom in North Africa and Italy, somthing they would not secure till 1989. A Poland some would never see or visit despite living for decades after the war. But it runs deeper than that, What exactly were people fighting for in the war?

Not every soldier had the same political agenda as each other, thats the whole point. There was British officers with some pretty right wing agendas and some Liverpudlian soldiers with some pretty left wing agendas - including outright communists and the such. It was about the conversion of these two traditional divides in society against the common enemys. Its impossable to pinpoint a set of values that people fought to preserve in the war, simply becuase so many people fought for so many different reasons. And this is not only between the different nations, but between different people in those nations. A fact than many seem quite happy to disregard in the purpose of pushing there own views. As so, its impossable to pinpoint a set of common values following the war, on a national level aswell as international or indeed global. I mean theres obviosuly a set of common guidelines, but there pretty open to interpretation as far as idelogy goes.

Just look at the UK, following the war a goverment led by Attlee beat the great war hero Churchill! This is an Attlee goverment which by any standards had some pretty radical ideas and reforms. These changes in welfare, social security and nationalisation of key industries are pretty left wing ideals, whatever spin you want to attach to them there essentially socialist reforms. This for me shows that people fought not only to maintain what they had, but also to change what they had. I find it hard to believe the British public were held hostage by a goverment who won in a landslide until the arrival of there saviour Thatcherism. It ulitmatly proves my point, it comes full circle, Attlee fought in the great war to preserve his principles that he would then bring to the nation in 1945. There are plenty of other examples available, Italy springs to mind.

But do people use this to justify there opinion on socialists reforms today? Generally No. Because it is an unrealistic argumant, just as it is for anyone else to use any sort of similar argumant. There were almost certinly many people who fought in the War who shared a similar - or even exact politicaly opinion as Jdb, as Benoist, as Me, as H_H, as Jynx, as Pmaster, as blackscorpion, as Ivan the raving communist and even perhaps D@ve. It is my view that to attempt to disregard or even disprove somone elses view with such a line of argumant is not only unfounded, uninformed and simply wrong, but also a pretty well constucted contradiction when put in place on either side of the political spectrum.

(and im sorry about the spelling but not everyone is good at everything, i do proof read when i wright large bodies, of which i admit somtimes i dont for smaller posts, but how do you spot a mistake when you dont know it is one!)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7849061.stm

1. She was a woman.
2. She was a beautiful woman.
3. It's an isolated fate.
- These are some of the reasons that make men feel even more bad, I know. Still I think that's a heartbreaking story.
On one day you feel ill and just a month later they got to remove your limbs whilst you are struggling for your life? This is really scary.

I post this here because we discussed some pages ago what things have an impact on how people react on media coverage...

[Kind of] Off-Topic but read "Johnny got his Gun". There is a movie too.

and yet Prince Harry splitting with his girlfriend still headlines above it. Whooptie f*cking doo.

Har-har! Someone finally give that git Wen Jiabao the boot! Literally!
Though I think it was actually a trainer... shame really...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7865868.stm

But here's the thing that really gets me. Brown refers to this as "despicable". Here's something else despicable. The Chinese communist regime under Mao killed more innocents than Stalin, the Holocaust and both world wars. Combined. If you think the current Regime is any better you're only kidding yourself. This is a regime that has forced people from their homes and administered beatings to people simply because they were living were the new stadium was going to be.

The only despicable thing happening here is that man has been in this country for more than 5 seconds without being arrested and put in a cell for the rest of his misbegotten life.





Let me tell you this, when Chinese troops showed started turning up in the Korean War, General MacArthur was all for nuking Beijing them back to the stone age. Another fine mess you got us all into there Mr. Truman...

I hate China and I hate chinese people. I even don't see them as people, they are 1,321,851,888 brainwashed monkeys with a little red book. But of course? Why the UN doesn't do a sh*t? Because those 1,321,851,888 brainwashed monkeys work full day for just a bow with rice. And by doing that they are now the 3th larger economy...

Bah, I hate their leaders and Mao, but I don't really hate chinese people, I fell pity for them.


Also, what the heck? Trowing shoes is the new type of protest?

You've been editing it quickly enough for me.

PR revoked.

Wie?

This saved your day.

You've ranted about the Chinese and other people before in a way to be deemed more than disrespectful.

Found this in the internet: Show us where you stand politically!

Here's my "political compass":



According to the evaluation I'm (politically) a crossbred of Milton Friedman and Maggy Thatcher!

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74

I'm a mix between Mandela and Ghandi.


I though I was going to be more fasist. But today I have good mood, let's keep it on the bookmarks if I'm angry someday...

The test is wrong. And half the "questions" don't actually have any real answer. I'm not saying this in the way of "the fact this is true/false is undeniable", I'm saying this in the way that they aren't statements you can and can't agree with. They're just plain facts.

Example, the question about single party systems. Yes. They are faster than proportional ones. There's no real thing to agree or disagree with on that.



And it crashed my browser too. Useless piece of junk...

Well everyone else is doing it...


Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49

Fair enough this is true.

Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.51


Doesn't take into account that some of us have views that are based on what will profit the individual the most not the state.

Yes, I wouldn't take this test as very accurrate.

Quite interesting news: For the first time since WW2, Germany is going to permanently deploy troops to France. The Army's 292nd Light Infantry Battalion will be stationed in Colmar, Metz or Strassbourg. The deployment is part of a deal to keep the Franco-German brigade alive after France's Nicholas Sarkozy announced last year that his country could withdraw all French troops from Germany (currently three garrisons).

7th Armored? XD

That would mean what?

The Desert Rats?

And the thematic connection to the Franco-German Brigade is exactly what?