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Wittmann
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LooseKannon
I get a email every couple of weeks from the defence mag Janes with some new articles about military hardware. I was looking through recently and what caught my eye was

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Zhuk-MAE radar prototypes gear up for first flight
Phazotron-NIIR in Moscow is completing assembly of two prototypes of the Zhuk-MAE active electronically scanned AESA radar, destined for the MiG-35 fighters being tendered by Russia for India's Multirole Combat Aircraft (MRCA) requirement for 126 fighters. First flight of an aircraft with the experimental Zhuk-MAE radar was required by RSK MiG during the first half of November in order to demonstrate this milestone at the Aero India 2007 exhibition in Bangalore, in February 2007


I also heard somewhere that india will be buying some Su-37/47 Berkut fighter planes. Interesting stuff, it looks like India is definately getting up there with their air forces.

Cheers
BigglesTrevor
QUOTE(LooseKannon @ Nov 12 2006, 02:09) *

I get a email every couple of weeks from the defence mag Janes with some new articles about military hardware. I was looking through recently and what caught my eye was
I also heard somewhere that india will be buying some Su-37/47 Berkut fighter planes. Interesting stuff, it looks like India is definately getting up there with their air forces.

Cheers


now they have the economy to sustain a high tech military i guess they thought "why not". maybe they will soon join the war against terror? hopefully it wont further complicate things with Pakistan by purchasing these jets.
LooseKannon
Hmm.. Good point there Biggles. I don't think they will be joining the war of terror anytime soon, I dont think it's going to last long enough for them to join in time? Not so sure about Pakistan, I'll keep my eyes peeled for any info
BigglesTrevor
ive always wondered, becuse im an idiot when it comes to guns, what the black boxes on the side of m4's do?
Rellikki
QUOTE(BigglesTrevor @ Nov 13 2006, 02:16) *

ive always wondered, becuse im an idiot when it comes to guns, what the black boxes on the side of m4's do?


If you mean the box close to the barrel, I think it's for laser aim.

King Homer should know it, as he knows everything about weapons tongue.gif
Elliot Carver
Per chance would you mean this black box?
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Its a AN/PEQ laser/flashlight box. Also its where airsofters store their batteries.
Blackbuck
Well some people will allready know that this exists...

The 417 series looks set to dominate the Market.

HK417

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HK417 Full View
HK417 Closeup
HK417 Polymer Mag

HK417 PDF

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Basic HK417 Facts/Info (as claimed by Heckler & Koch Defense, Inc.):

According to the fact sheet, the HK 417 will be available with 12, 16, and 20-inch cold-hammer-forged, chrome-lined barrels, and all barrels will feature a 1:11-inch twist rate. All barrels will be threaded for silencers/sound suppressors, flash hiders (flash suppressors) and muzzle compensators. HK Defense Inc. claims that barrel life will "easily exceed 15,000-20,000 rounds with little or no accuracy degredation."

The HK417 will take 20-round G3-style lightweight aluminum and steel box mags with dual-reinforced feed lips. The weapon also features a 4-sided free-floating rail system/forend rail tube (a.k.a. "quad rail" system) wich whill accept the same quick-detachable HK AG-416 underbarrel-mounted 40mm (40x46mm) GLM (Grenade Launcher Module).

The HK417 fact sheet states that during a desert firing test, an HK417 prototype (2nd design stage) fired more than 15,000 rounds of assorted 7.62x51mm/.308 Win. ammo, including M118LR, M80 ball, M993 AP and a variety of commercial ammo with bullet weights ranging from 125 grains to over 175 grains "without a single parts failure or stoppage. The document also claims that during an accuracy test, an HK417 carbine in "assaulter" configuration (12" barrel) averaged 1.3 MOA between four shooters firing multiple 5-shot groups at ranges between 100-500 yards.



HK416

HK416 Pic 1
HK416 Pic 2
HK416 Pic 3

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The HK416 System

Inspired by the resounding success of the mid-life improvement program of the British SA80 (L85/L86) Weapons System, Heckler & Koch began a development program to create the HK416 Enhanced Carbine. Working with current users from around the globe, HK set out to produce an Enhanced Carbine that would outperform competing 5.56mm carbines and provide the high degree of performance required by the user community, particularly those within the special operations arena who demand more and expect no compromise when lives are at stake.

High-speed video assessment and extensive live-fire testing in extreme operational environments such as the U.S. Army Desert Proving Ground in Yuma, Arizona revealed multiple areas for improvement of the 5.56 mm carbine. Improvements were made to the internal operating system and miscellaneous component parts to improve reliability in best and worse case scenarios, with all types of ammunition, with all barrel lengths and with and without sound suppressors attached.

An innovative free-floating 4-quadrant rail system designed by HK allows all current standard accessories and sights to be fitted to the HK416 and can be removed without tools. The HK-proprietary gas system does not introduce propellant gases and the associated carbon fouling back into the weapon’s interior. This reduces operator cleaning time, increases the reliability of the weapon and extends the interval between stoppages.

To improve reliability, service life, and operator safety during obstructed bore occurrences or after extreme extended firing sessions, HK has produced its famous cold hammer forged barrel for the HK416 in various lengths to include 10, 14.5, 16.5, and 20 inches.

The highest quality steel is used in this unique manufacturing process producing a barrel that provides superior accuracy for greater than 20,000 rounds with minimal degradation of accuracy and muzzle velocity.
In addition to the improvements in the baseline weapon, HK has produced a high reliability magazine and a proprietary buffer to improve functional reliability.

An add-on single shot 40 x 46mm AG416 enhanced grenade launcher module can be quickly attached to the rail system of all models without tools.
Heckler & Koch has applied its proven and fielded Safety Blank Firing Attachment and Live Round Excluder Magazine technology to the HK416 Carbine, eliminating the possibility of live rounds being loaded into and fired through a standard issue weapon outfitted for blank firing only.

A “drop-in” HK416 upper receiver module and a complete carbine are both
being offered with deliveries beginning in February 2005. The full potential of the 5.56mm carbine has now been realized with the introduction of the HK416.

Unique Features:

• Short-stroke piston gas system--
--Improved reliability
--100% function
--No fouling directed into weapon
--Less cleaning
--User removable/exchangeable components
--Insensitive to barrel length or ammunition changes

• Improved buffer system

• Improved steel magazine:
--Improved feeding reliability, durability, service life

• Refined barrel/bolt locking recesses/lugs:
--Improved function

• Improved extractor and spring, buffer:
--Improved function

• Enhanced AG-C add-on 40mm grenade launcher
• HK cold-hammer forged barrel
--Extended service life
--Improved accuracy and user safety


• HK free-floating modular rail system



Additional ongoing work:



• Improved surface finish, ambidextrous controls
• Safety Blank Firing Adapter and live round excluder magazine
• Integrated reflex sight with nested IR laser aimer and illuminator"


Regards H_H
BigglesTrevor
QUOTE(Elliot Carver @ Nov 13 2006, 15:09) *

Per chance would you mean this black box?


Its a AN/PEQ laser/flashlight box. Also its where airsofters store their batteries.


aHH TY, that explains alot.
King Homer
Fore more information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PEQ-2
Blackbuck
Can someone shed some light on whats happening about the new GMGs that the british are aquiring for e-WMIKs?
BigglesTrevor
not sure specificcly, but i kno royal marine units have mounted a new type of grenade launcher on there WMIK's to "pack the punch" when armor isnt avalilable.
Blackbuck
thats probabbly the GMG then...
Rellikki
Do US Marines have their own winter camouflage scheme of the MARPAT? Or do they use plain white uniform like others?
BigglesTrevor
not sure at the moment but check this out

http://www.marines.mil/marinelink/mcn2000....ef/200426161350

maybe this is in service?
Wittmann
Well apparently ACU does have a purpose, hiding from the wife:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j9/13711371/DSCF0001.jpg

LooseKannon
Haha, thats awesome smile.gif

I seriously did not see him untill I looked closer wink.gif
BigglesTrevor
QUOTE(Wittmann @ Nov 26 2006, 07:05) *

Well apparently ACU does have a purpose, hiding from the wife:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j9/13711371/DSCF0001.jpg


haha thats awsome

all the us need to do now is paint all of iraq the same couler as that sofa.
DaRat
Lmao, good one laugh.gif
*Reforms overblown opinions about ACU* tongue.gif
Red Square Monkey
Works great for that sofa tongue.gif, still haven't seen a good pic in the desert though.
JdB
QUOTE(Red Square Monkey @ Dec 2 2006, 00:28) *

Works great for that sofa tongue.gif, still haven't seen a good pic in the desert though.


That's probably because no one is stupid enough to hang around in the desert in ACU. "One camo fits all", hardly, more like "Better a few dozen KIA's a month then a few billion $ on decent clothing for everyone".
Russki
Looks too big... How would you move in that damn thing?
I really like the desighn of the BMP3
King Homer
In which way you connect this with the BMP3?
Russki
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No way at all, I just wanted to share my opinion tongue.gif
Lt. Earth Apple
Does anybody know the man-stopping effect of a .357 Sig compared to an .357 Magnum ?
(I'm talking about the same type of bullet tongue.gif)
King Homer
Well I guess the size of the cartridge explains a lot
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.357 Magnum (9x33 mm)

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.357 SIG (9x22 mm)
Lt. Earth Apple
It does, thought the SIG one had a larger powder compartiment and a larger bullet
Blackbuck
AFAIK the sig is a good option for people who want more than a 9x19 but don't like the recoil that comes with a .40S&W allthough that said the sig has sone considerable recoil. Porting the barrel helps...
King Homer
Because you asked for the man-stopping-power:

The bullet energy of the .357 Mag ranges from 680 to 1780 Joule and compared with the maximum 770 Joules of the SIG variant I guess the Magnum is more effective. Furthermore it depends on the type of bullet...
FMJ, JSP, JHP, JFP, JRN, LHP, LRN, LSW or LWC are just a small amount of available ones...
Blackbuck
The magnum a semi rimmed?
King Homer
What do you refer to?
Blackbuck
The bottom of the case.
King Homer
Yeah I know that but in what connection?

Blackbuck
The sig is a rimless cartridge AFAIK and the magnum is a semi rimmed, so the sig in theory has a better chance of being implemented to weapons, not to mention the size of it compared to the magnum, what i'm getting at is the magnum is pretty much a revolver cartridge...
King Homer
That for sure. I just answered the question of Lt. Earth Apple.
I still would prefer the good ol' .45.
Blackbuck
Same here
BigglesTrevor
The british army are colaberating with a shoe maker to make the perfect shoe! does that sound like a good idea too you?

Link
Lt. Earth Apple
QUOTE(King Homer @ Feb 13 2007, 14:38) *

Because you asked for the man-stopping-power:

The bullet energy of the .357 Mag ranges from 680 to 1780 Joule and compared with the maximum 770 Joules of the SIG variant I guess the Magnum is more effective. Furthermore it depends on the type of bullet...
FMJ, JSP, JHP, JFP, JRN, LHP, LRN, LSW or LWC are just a small amount of available ones...

I knew about the different typesof bullets, I just thought about the firingpower independent of the bullet wink.gif
Stupidly, I thought the .357 was a compact form of the .357 Magnum for Pistols mf_hide.gif

Thank you for all informations wink.gif
Blackbuck
QUOTE(BigglesTrevor @ Feb 15 2007, 00:13) *

The british army are colaberating with a shoe maker to make the perfect shoe! does that sound like a good idea too you?

Link


There was an article in C&S not too long ago about it, and from what I recall the model who was testing them said that they were great. She did all manner of things with em, hiking seaside etc..
Blackbuck
Magpul Masada

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STANAG Magwell
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AK74 Magwell

Masada Pics
Masada PDF

What do you think of this? Better than the SCAR?
Lt. Earth Apple
I think of it like of the most assault rifles:
You could even kill somebody with an old m16 or a stg44, maybe on paper it makes a difference, but in a fight... hm
Blackbuck
To me it looks less bulky than the SCAR and the stock is better too IMHO
Lt. Earth Apple
What is that for an supressor in the second picture ?
It's Huge !
Blackbuck
Its a noveske* flash hider not a supressor laugh.gif its a good idea.
Lt. Earth Apple
I wanted to say with supressor "the thing on the barrel"
King Homer
Well I can't judge it from here how effective it is in combat etc. and I guess I'll never do it anyways but all I can say is good looking weapon with stupid name.
pMASTER
any additional infos to this weapon? never heard of it.
Blackbuck
Its a new weapon that was unveiled at shot show 07, what sort of info you want?

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pMASTER
manufacturer, country of origin...such things...
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