Hey folks,

Wanted to sit down and have a chat about a subject before i go to bed thats been on my mind for the last few days. Yesterday was the Local Elections day in the UK. All week our media has been full of stuff about how everyone is fed up with Labour and that they wanted to protest vote BNP to 'shock' the government. As it turned out everyone voted for who they normaly vote for and the day was a boringly normal mid-term election. BNP didnt win anywhere new.

A little info on the BNP before i start. BNP stands for British National Party. They used to be called the British Nazi Party but had to change their name for obvious reasons. The BNP believes that the UK should be returned to the old fasioned pre Thatchorite Britian where national pride and industrial might ruled. Underpinning this ideal is a Neo-Nazi background that includes strong prejudices against the Black and Musilm population and white supremacy.

I sat down 2 days ago and actually read the BNP's 2006 manifesto to see what actually id be facing as a citizen of a BNP run country. It was scary, hence why its been on my mind. If the BNP came to power they will remove us from NATO and the EU. Bring all our troops home from abroad, including the US and Germany and use them to 'protect our boarders from neighbouring countires'. They will introduce national service from 18. Unless you complete your service you will not be allowed to go to university or vote. They would introduce laws allowing us to own guns and carry them on person. Ie: on completion of military service we get a 'citizens rifle' in other words an SA80 in every home. They want to re-introduce capitol and corporal punishment. They would round up black, asian and musilm members of the population, kicking them out of jobs and homes 'storeing' them in camps for deportation. They want to expand the Northan Ireland terratory of the UK to cover the whole of Ireland by 'invading' it. We would go to war with Ireland and restore it to British rule.

So to give you some idea of what you will be facing if BNP come into power (and this is what scares me). As were all around the 18-25 age group we would be forced into National Service or face prison and the possibilty of floggings or execution. We would be carted off to invade Ireland or help with the round up and segregation of the Black, Muslim and Aisan. Everything you have spent your intire life working for (18 years of education etc) would be thrown away. Relationships would be broken up and the elder generations (roughly 20+) would have marriages/children removed. Also the youger amongst us still at school will be tought about the BNP, british pride and nationalism.

Screams of 1940's Nazi Germany dont it? Yes i paint a very bleak, arguably prejudice, outlook of a BNP election win but its an honest one. Go read their manifesto if you doubt me. Nearly everyone i talked to about the elections over the past week or so all said they wanted to vote BNP as a protest vote and all of them admited to not knowing what they were voting for.

So my question to you is...1: obviously your views on the subject ... and 2: what would you do if BNP won an election?

Personnaly and rather drastically ive always said that if the BNP or any other facist/radical group rose to power that id take up arms against the government and call for a coop. But thats me.

cheers for reading & rock on,
carver

for me only the SNP is important, because that could be an important hing for my future. but if i must talk about the BNP. i must say, that we have the same contemptible political party "le front national".

the ideas of this kind of political party are really disgusting, and we must fight agaisnt them.

A common enemy

Wow. I had a rough idea of their intentions if they were to win an General Election, but I never though it stretched so far. Is an invasion of Ireland even legal? I'm pretty sure the US wouldn't stand for it..?

i dont think the BNP will ever have a position of power. If they even bagan to do well in polls the general liberalness of Britian means that so many more people would come out and vote against them that would normally not vote at all.

Having compulsory military service for defending your country and being proud of one's nationality is nothing I object... but when it starts to go to extreme nationalism (as in above, or NSDAP back in 30's), with racist ideas and thought of extreme supremacy over others, no thanks.

Living over 1000 miles from UK, in a country a tad bigger than UK, with 1/11th of the population and Russia/former USSR as a neighbour and neutral Swedes on the other side, I'm not the best guy to comment, but I doubt that most people would accept such a rule in the modern world, despite all the "War against terror" and "bad Muslim" attitudes seen especially after 9/11 (10 guys out of 1,4 billion kill over 2000 people >> Muslims are terrorists ). Maybe through a revolution if the party would get enough supporters, but I doubt that'll happen, this is not the 80's.

Remember... when everything fails, you can allways vote from the rooftops,
even if I think they won't get high

Wouldn't that make the UK even more ideologically alligned with the US?

I would rather live in a country ruled by what the left wing media call "neo nazis" (everyone that tries to point at the problems immigrants are causing in the EU is called that nowadays) than in a islamic theocracy. I don't really see why right wing extremists need to be villified when the left wing is quite large in Holland (Stalin had more people killed than Hitler) and can do pretty much whatever they want. While right wing extremism may sound scary due to WW2, the prospect of gulag like camps and the goverment spying on people to prevent any anti-left wing activities sounds any better?

Left wing --> gulags, people dissappearing, oppression.
Right wing --> concentration camps, people dissappearing, oppression.

Two ideologies as far removed from eachother as is possible in the political system, but the end result is the same.

-It was not a group of neo-nazis that played football with memorial flowers on the day we remember our wardead, they were muslim youths.
-Over 80% of the times when the police is called out to a place it is not the white people that are causing the problems, it is the foreign youth (mostly Turkish and Moroccan immigrants and people from our former overseas colonies). I got this figure through a family member who works as a detective, this concerns big cities, for smaller places I recon it is around 50%.
-The riots in the French suburbs were caused by muslim youths, we have plenty of poor white people here, but we don't see them rioting.
-It is not the neo-nazis that are blowing up busses and trains and murdering politicians and others for what they say, it is muslim youths.

Neo nazis and other right wing groups mostly stick to themselves, while foreign youth is the scurge of society. We have several programs on tv that deal about crimes and finding the people who did it. Most of the times it shows images of what are obviously muslims with a description of "a lightly colored skin", Surinamers or Antillians (former overseas colonies), or eastern europeans. It hardly ever shows western european types (though we of course do have some bad ass mofo's). Of course left wing supporters could call that biased media, quite funny in the country that is in the top 5 of countries that have the most free media in the world.

In other words, Western civilisation is bound to collapse on itself sooner or later due to the problems that our beloved freedom (of speech, work etc) is causing, however well intended it may be. Freedom is nice, but most people do not seem to be able to handle freedom responsibly. Also it enables people that do not have/believe in freedom to undermine our society.

There is no bad attitude towards muslims after 9/11 that affects any of these problems. They were there before 9/11 and they are still here, only difference is that now some people have the guts to point them out to us so that we can call them neo nazis. It's the easiest way to live, just hide the problems under a blanket and pretend they do not exist until one day the fantasy that you've been living in bursts like a bubble.

I'm scared, because I actually support most of the stuff in that manifesto.

The only things I don't agree with is leaving Nato, invading Ireland and the segrigation.

Oh, and all the stuff that they'd do if they came to power that isn't on that list, like the Genocide of people with various "disorders" like myself.


Don't blame me, I voted UKIP .

Invade Ireland hey? Quick, to arms! International volunteer brigade's are needed! FREE GUINESS TO THOSE WHO ARE SERVING IRELAND!

Though yes its scary they are urging a protest vote for a party that has such aims without informing the people of what they stand for, such an event happened here a few years ago with some sectors pushing for a protest vote supporting One Nation, luckily they didn't get too far.

Right wing extremists stick to themselves? Well here in east europe it isnt good , the right wing nationalists have even built a memory tomb for a WW2 fascist president of my homeland , Joseph Tiso which was always hiding his crimes behind "god´s will"
and the "skinheads" attacking all darker and yellower skin people.And as for the possible riots , the asian people look the most work-wanting and working all the day without problems , the gypsy (i dont know proper english word for their naming so please excuse me if it sound wrong) are annoying with their lifestyle (no working , stealing , no hygiene) but never commited a severe riot. The rightist activity is growing more and more on the other hand.

Are you sure they used to be called the British Nazi Party? I was under the impression that they've always been known as the BNP (as in, nationalist) since they broke from the NF

they have never been called the British Nazi Party to my knowledge. I think it would have been a real turn off for many of there voters. Most of there voters hate Nazis due to its assosiation with Germany and the War, ignoring the similarity of there beliefs. But the averige BNP voter dosnt really know the true scale of the facsist doctrine they are just xenephobic.

Britian is not really a racist country so i see it hard to find a right wing party getting any real power. I cant count how many people i know whos parents are half spanish/french/italian/polish/jordanian blah de blah.

I know a lot of people call them the British Nazi Party out of hate for them, the scumbags. I know they'll never make power, but we need to keep them out of local elections too. There've been reports of increases of racial abuse in areas where BNP members hold seats.

Although I'm totally against a lot of the stupid politcal correctness this country is undergoing too. Just got to keep it from going too far either way I guess.

allowing them political representation is absolutly necisary. If they didnt have a political party they would take matters into there own hands.

I mean keep them out of politics by voting them out as a Country. That's perfectly okay by me. Obviously if we made a law that restricted them, then yeah, we'd be forbidding them free speech and opinion.

ROFL thats awesome!
Lo,

If I was to ignore the PC crowd (no one in here i hope ) for a moment Id probably say that a law restricting them if not banning them outright would be a better corse of action. Free speach is ok but not in the forms it comes in from the BNP. for example: If I was to walk down the street screaming "send the packies home" (no offence intended) holding banners with swasticas on id get nicked - probably for littering - but id still get nicked. I would be one man being racist and probably deemed mentaly unfit.. Where as if we all went down and sreamed it with swasticas we'd be exercising our right to free speach and it would be alright.
Its worth pointing out that using the cover of 'free speach' we could quite rightly as a bunch of men go and march through london in a pro rape rally. If we did that we'd all get arrested and given long prison sentences.
A UK without nazi's and racisits would be a better place. Polint blank, put the foot down, heavy handed policing to round them all up and stick them in detention centers untill they have been 'cured'. Remove their right to vote, bring in corporal and capitol punishment rolling through all their criminal convictions....give them a feel for their own medicine.

Its always made me laugh how we teach our children that black and white are no differnt only for them to walk two feet out of the school yard to be handed leaflets from BNP members encourging them to bully the little forign kid.
But in this day and age thats ok becuase we have to be PC.
All i can say is that the BNP rep for our area saw the sharp end of my dogs and got 10 seconds to stop tresspassing or the police would be called. unfortunalty for him i have a big garden

lol folks,
Carver

The fact that such a party exists, and people are voting for them is an indication that there is need for such a party, because people don't trust the traditional political idiots, and want to see chances made, something other political parties are always slow to do. Most political parties only listen to the people around the time of the election day, with great eagerness saying whatever the people want to hear, right wing parties at least try to make stuff happen.

For most people "right wing" and "nationalist" = "facism", which is nonsense, just as "left wing" does not = "communism" or "gulags". Stalin killed scores more people than Hitler ever did, most countries in Europe are dominated by left wing parties because people fear "those evil nazis". By that logic we should also be fearing the current "evil commie bastards" just as much, which no one seems to mind.

By keeping right wing parties out of the elections, and hugging left wing parties you're only helping those socialists ("social" being a rather ironic term, since it evolves around getting the few people in charge all of the money while all the poor people work for them like slaves just as much as facism or capitalism does), but as said, people seem to think communism is like a dreamworld as compared to facism

Well, communish is kinda hard to define since it hasn't come to effect anywhere as of yet. The closest are maybe Cuba and some Nordic countries. It's a good system, if it'd work and would be put into effect as it should be. USSR and i.e. North Korea were/are more like fascist dictatorships.

As I mentioned earlier, if it has "extreme" in it, I'd rather just vote for something else, or null. Doesn't matter if it's left or right, extremism is never good.

As I've stated in few other places, human nature. It doesn't work and prevents fair amount of stuff from working. Thus, I don't trust it.

Frankly, I'd vote for the anarchist party...

But the sheer existance of an anarchist party is an absolute paradox...

Not being represented sucks

i love the diversity in anarchism. Its not all just young punks like the media portray. I like the idea of capitalist anarchists, those guys rock

Capitalists? The traitors! True anarchists are leftists , arent they?

I find that notion offensive! Socialist governments are noterious for being all emcompassing. How can an anarchist even think of supporting an all encompassing state? Anarchists deny the state, therefore, the idea of the two ideas being related is madness!!! (No, no Sparta jokes).

In fact, Liberalism and Capitalism aren't as far removed from anarchy as you might believe

The BNP don't scare me ,they are just pathetic party praying on peoples fear , trying to divide and conquer , and the fact that there so called leaders collete and griffin have been charged with racial hate crimes nick griffin convicted ,who also deny the holocaust ever happend ,and that no bnp member has ever won a seat in parliment, just goes to show , that the people of the UK havent fallen for their lies and hatred. in the few areas where they have won seats , there are massive social problems poverty crime unemployment and dissafection, they spread their lies and false promises, through leaflets ,blaming the hugely complex social problems , caused by the goverment industry and every other thing in the world, on one reason ethnic minorities , now every one has there problems but , really ousting out your neighbour is going to increase the chance of that factory opening down the rd. mmmm. i dont think so.., and the fact that they havent even won one parliment seat does show that the great british public are not quite as stupid or ignorant as the dailey mail would have me believe, i grew up being chased and threatened by the SKINHEADS from which the BNP formed,
just because they grew up put on a suit and grew their hair, does not mean that their peddling of racial hatred and faintly veilled threats of violence, has lost any of its potency.
Paradoxically though iam constantly reminded iam a minority in this country, and one that is not quite as worthy as my white brethren, i remeber when there was no polital correctness in this country and i felt constantly belittled, and now all my white friends do is complain its gone too far and think that there should be some sort of backlash against , and i think my god , stop whining i had to put up withfar worse for a lot longer and still am. polital correctness tried to redress the balance and it kinda has, people dont say things now , but they still think them, and in any country with sucha diverse mix always will.

Just vote us Communists

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